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    Posted: October 20 2005 at 10:37

I just bought Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter. I think it's a really good album. I've read the reviews ... I think the album is severely underrated. It's obvious that they listened to Dream Theater and Symphony X a lot ... but in this case I don't really mind. They're really trying to be creative, and IMO they blend those influences quite nicely.

Any thoughts? BTW: I've added their homepage to my link database ... you can download two full songs there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 10:43
I never heard of it.. I should check this out then... thanks for the info..
...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 10:45
Had it for a while- they impressed at first, but they never left a lasting impression. I haven't felt the need to give it a spin for some time, so I guess it wouldn't be in my favourites list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 10:54
One of the few times I don't agree with you Mike.Nothing in their music really grabbed me,and I found their album pretty derivative and unoriginal.Quite simply,they bored me,and that doesn't happen to often.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:07

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

One of the few times I don't agree with you Mike.Nothing in their music really grabbed me,and I found their album pretty derivative and unoriginal.Quite simply,they bored me,and that doesn't happen to often.

Maybe I will arrive at the same conclusion ... it was just a first impression. We'll see ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:37
Boring , uninspired.

They really should try to sound at least a bit original.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:42

Actually I think they're very inspired ... at least by Dream Theater and SyX. 

Currently listening to The 1st Chapter (the epic) ... I agree that they stole the overture concept from The Odyssey.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:49
First I misread; I thought you wrote Styx, but then I re-read your post ..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 11:52

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

First I misread; I thought you wrote Styx, but then I re-read your post ..
 I wouldn't be that harsh ... seriously, they sound like a young bunch of DT and SyX fans ... quite capable musicians with many fresh ideas, unfortunately combined with some cheese and a little too close to their icons.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 12:16
New? Where were you six months ago?


If you don't already, check out http://www.lotfp.com/WebContent.htm from time to time. It's not updated very often, but there're some interesting (for me) metal bands covered in there. Although, it's certainly a little... opinionated . Oh, and ignore the pro wrestling coverage
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 12:19

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

New? Where were you six months ago?


If you don't already, check out http://www.lotfp.com/WebContent.htm from time to time. It's not updated very often, but there're some interesting (for me) metal bands covered in there. Although, it's certainly a little... opinionated . Oh, and ignore the pro wrestling coverage

Maybe they are new to Mike,even though the album has been out for a little while,it was released in 2005 and is still a relatively new release.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:34
^ goose: I was busy exploring 70s prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 13:52

I like it a lot.  I agree it hasn't been finding its way into my CD player that often, but when it does it sticks around for 2 or 3 spins.

Is it derivative?  Well, yeah, but how can prog-metal be called prog-metal without being derivative of something?  How often do you find a POS or Opeth?  As for me, give me well-written, well-performed, well-produced prog metal and I say screw derivative or original.  Unless they are blantantly ripping off licks or lyrics, it's art. 

So, yeah, thumbs up for Circus Maximus.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:09
Originally posted by viperjr98 viperjr98 wrote:

but how can prog-metal be called prog-metal without being derivative of something?

If it's
Psychotic Waltz,
Watchtower,
Fates Warning or
Voivod from the '80s,

In the Woods,
Arcturus,
Maudlin of the Well (and Kayo Dot),
Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, Fantomas
Pain of Salvation,
Dream Theater, or
Hammers of Misfortune (and The Lord Weird Slough Feg) (not entirely original, perhaps, but unmistakably themselves, particularly Slough Feg)

or some groups leaning more towards tech than prog:
Atheist, Cynic, Death

Of note are Anathema, who I don't think are prog, but definitely original around Eternity to Alternative 4 and Devil Doll, who lots of people don't seem to associate with metal.

I'd say all of these are at least as original as Opeth. If you don't believe me, listen to Edge of Sanity and early Tiamat (perhaps even Porcupine Tree - and some people hear a Samael connection as well, and while they're good I don't, really.), and you'll find a good deal of the blueprint of the first few albums of Opeth's catalogue (although Ghost Reveries comes into its own more, for sure).

Some food for thought , and I've surely missed out plenty

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:31

I agree with everything you said, goose.  Those bands are definitely original.  Some of them are even good.  I guess it's just another example of how fluid and nebulous the definition of prog really is.  It means something different to everyone.  You obviously give more weight to originality and technicality, I give more weight to, for lack of a better word, listenability.  I know it's a fluffly term, and I know you're going to say why don't I just go listen to Billy Joel and Elton John, but this is the kind of stuff that I really like.  I grew up with Iron Maiden, Fates Warning, and Rush, found Dream Theater in my early twenties, and Pain of Salvation and Opeth in my early thirties.  These are the seminal bands that have influenced my notions of what music is and should be.  So if another band comes along that shares traits with any of these bands, I'm probably going to like them, rather than bash them for not being original.  To me, the act of writing, performing, and recording such incredibly beautiful and complex music IS original.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 15:56

I will check this band out

Whats their album called.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:00

I'm in contact with the keyboardist and the bassist and they seem to LOVEEEE DT, maybe that's why their new album is so "DTish"

Anyways, the First Chapter is a pretty good offering, easily one of the best of this year.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:03

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

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Some food for thought , and I've surely missed out plenty

Well, you certainly forgot to mention Heaven's Cry ... and their brilliant debut Food For Thought Substitute.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:04
Not as good As Room V, probably
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2005 at 16:04
^ Yea, but I surely liked it better than Room V
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