Grendel is not Apocalypse in 9/8

first of all, ITS NOT IN 9/8! its 8/8! second of all, though the bass
lines are similar, the bands take them to different effects. No
need to compare.

Green and Funky wrote: first of all, ITS NOT IN 9/8! its 8/8! second of all, though the bass lines are similar, the bands take them to different effects. No need to compare.

Even Fish admitted that "Grendel" was very much inspired by "Apocalypse in 9/8".

I was about to say, it is in fact in 9/8.

BaldFriede wrote: Green and Funky wrote: first of all, ITS NOT IN 9/8! its 8/8! second of all, though the bass lines are similar, the bands take them to different effects. No need to compare. Even Fish admitted that "Grendel" was very much inspired by "Apocalypse in 9/8".

Correct, and you can hear that very well. Marillion was imitating with an 8/8 version, with a boom-thrak-boom-boom-thrak-boom-thrak-thrak pattern, to put in Crimsonite terms, errr ....

I mean:

A-B-A-A

B-A-B-B

So 8/8, and a rhythm pattern where the second part is mirroring the 1st part.

If someone can still understand what I mean  . A friend of mine said that the Grendel - rhythm was very complicated. I said: no it's not, and it's a rip-off from an intricate Genesis - track.

Still, imitation or not, Grendel is a great track. One of my favourite Marillion-tracks. Except for the cheap imitation  .

The only similarities between them is in that one section, which I think of as Marillion paying homage to an important influence. Marillion did not rip off Genesis, nor did they seek to mimic them. They may have set out to create an epic slightly similar to Supper's Ready, but not to the extent of plagarism.

What's the big deal about one fragment in a 17 minute song that has a rhythmic similarity to one fragment in another 23 minute song, when the rest of the song is totally different from Supper's Ready? Both are great tracks! Is it surprising that a neo-prog band is inspired by Genesis? Who isn't?

[QUOTE=FragileDT] And Apocalypse in 9/8 is indeed in 9/8.
Not sure if that's what you were
saying "Green and Funky" but

yargh wrote: Forgotten Son wrote: The only similarities between them is in that one section, which I think of as Marillion paying homage to an important influence. Marillion did not rip off Genesis, nor did they seek to mimic them. They may have set out to create an epic slightly similar to Supper's Ready, but not to the extent of plagarism. [/ P] Author Paul Stump said it best when he characterized Marillion as basically "a Genesis tribute band."

As much as it pains me to agree with a tin-eared zorch like yargo-
zargofish....

He is, in this particular instance...

Correct.

Now if we can just school him on the glaringly apperant distictions
between blue-eyed gospel, folk and country influences in American music
in the 70's we may be able to take him to woodshop II.

SM.

I was saying the GRENDEL section is in 8/8, not 9/8.
Apocalypse is quite obviously in 9/8. Therefore, they DON'T
have the same rhythm, only the notes from the bass line are the
same. And Marillion does not get 99% of their ideas from
Genesis, that's ridiculous and you should be ashamed of
yourself for making such a blatant hyperbole. I'm tired of
hearing all this sh*t about how Marillion are ripoffs of Genesis.
Genesis were a big influence on Marillion. Yes. But who cares?
Marillion made good music, so why does it matter? When
almost every band was selling out to record companies,
Marillion kept prog alive in the 80's. Would it have been better if
Marillion didn't exist in the 80's and all music was just pop sh*t?
Marilion kept the prog flame alive.

Genesis was a great band and Marillion was good too. We can
leave it at that.

Green and Funky wrote:   Marillion kept prog alive in the 80's. Would it have been better if Marillion didn't exist in the 80's and all music was just pop sh*t? Marilion kept the prog flame alive.

If Marillion hadn't existed, we would always have had Pallas and Twelfth Night