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    Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:19

Who was better for YES as a band

 

I think bruford was

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:26

This is an ancient question, that has been run into the ground, not by you, but by Yes fans in general.

It depends on what you mean, exactly.

  • Bill's drumming on CttE is better than Alan's drumming on Topo.
  • Alan's drumming on anything post-Topo is better than Bill's drumming on ABWH or any of Bill's silly electro drumming. In particular Alan's drumming on the Keys studio material is fantastic.
  • Alan has contributed more to the writing of Yes music.
  • Alan appreciates and respects Yes more.
  • Alan is more important in the history of Yes because he's been a stablizing influence, a peace maker, and without Alan, the chances of Yes lasting past the mid-70s would have been diminished. And while Yes was at its creative peak in the early 70s, the band has also made a lot of wonderful music since then.

So overall, I would go against the obvious answer and say Alan is more important to the history of the band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:27
i though it was a defeinate fact that Bruford was better, but White was a perfect replacement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:29

Like Peter Gabriel with Genesis, Bill's tenure with Yes was so many years ago, but it was within those short precious years that Bill made a name for himself, but yet he became a drumming god within King Crimson....

But yet I associate Yes more with Alan then I do Bill.....

 

Alan... Relayer was his shining moment as a drummer...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:31
Bruford.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:33
Bruford's the better drummer, but I agree with Steve Howe in that the ABWHS lineup was too good.  Probably the most talented group of 5 rock musicians ever assembled.  But imagine the fights they had.  White stabilized the band.  I kind if wish they would do an album with Bruford again though, now that he's off the electric drum kick, just to see how they would sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 21:38
This is a very hard question to answer I personaly prefer bruford but I think white was better for the masses ... whites drumming isn`t as syncopated as brufords ,whites more a progressive rock drummer where bruford is more jazzy in whole, I think white is best for yes and bruford is best for king crimson  ... BTW great question  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 22:13

Bruford makes Yes sound a LOT better. Listen to Close to the Edge from "an evening of yes music plus" and listen to any other version with Alan White on drums, and it's apparent.

Personality wise though, Bruford doesn't seem to mesh well with the other guys. They hate each other too much to work together.

But if they could get along, i'd remove Alan White and stick Bruford in his place without thinking twice about it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 22:26
that being said i'm glad he left too. I equally treasure his work with King Crimson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 22:36

I Like Bruford more, but i think he was the perfect drummer for King Crimson than for Yes, so White was also the best replacement.

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sorry if this is an obvious question but i dont know nothing about Yes' history...

Is it true that Bruford left Yes because of his problems with Chris Squire?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2005 at 23:00
to the best of my knowledge Bruford left Yes because he admired King Crimson so much and wanted to join , He knew deep down that King Crimson was the band he wanted to be in !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:11
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

This is an ancient question, that has been run into the ground, not by you, but by Yes fans in general.

It depends on what you mean, exactly.

  • Bill's drumming on CttE is better than Alan's drumming on Topo.
  • Alan's drumming on anything post-Topo is better than Bill's drumming on ABWH or any of Bill's silly electro drumming. In particular Alan's drumming on the Keys studio material is fantastic.
  • Alan has contributed more to the writing of Yes music.
  • Alan appreciates and respects Yes more.
  • Alan is more important in the history of Yes because he's been a stablizing influence, a peace maker, and without Alan, the chances of Yes lasting past the mid-70s would have been diminished. And while Yes was at its creative peak in the early 70s, the band has also made a lot of wonderful music since then.

So overall, I would go against the obvious answer and say Alan is more important to the history of the band.

Bill's SILLY electro drumming???????????...Well I suppose we all have our opinions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:12
Originally posted by gok22us gok22us wrote:

Bruford makes Yes sound a LOT better. Listen to Close to the Edge from "an evening of yes music plus" and listen to any other version with Alan White on drums, and it's apparent.

Personality wise though, Bruford doesn't seem to mesh well with the other guys. They hate each other too much to work together.

But if they could get along, i'd remove Alan White and stick Bruford in his place without thinking twice about it.

Ummmm......do they REALLY hate eachother????????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:18

Chris Squire and Bill Bruford supposedly have a very rocky relationship, and have come to blows

Bill hates Jon Anderson's lyrics and music. He might not hate jon personally, but he doesnt like working with him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 00:19
Alan White because Bruford had to go to Crimson in '73.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 02:01

   It`s hard to choose.Yeah,White has done more music with Yes and stuff.

   When Bruford was in the band then the band made the best Yes music ever.

   Bruford is more skilled  drummer. (Has more talent)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 02:11
Originally posted by gok22us gok22us wrote:

Bill hates Jon Anderson's lyrics and music. He might not hate jon personally, but he doesnt like working with him.

That's not completey true. He did enjoy working with Anderson again back in 1989 for the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album. He liked Jon's enthousiasm for the music, and he liked the fact that though he couldn't understand anything from his lyrics, he still thought that Anderson was a powerful lyrics writer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 02:17

Funny, Bruford was only for 4 years Yes' drummer, while Alan White is Yes' drummer for the last 33 years.

That says nothing about their quality though. I really like Bruford a lot, and I like a lot of the albums he played on.

Alan White has meant a lot for Yes though. Indeed as a peace keeper in the band (psychologically) and time keeper (drummer) and he contributed lots of little parts to Yes music.

Mostly I don't notice White's drumming when I listen to the Yes albums he played on. Only on Tormato there are some parts that I'm aware that he's drumming. Still, he plays an important role within Yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 02:27
I think its like comparing apples and oranges.The best way to judge their respective skills is to listen to Rick Wakemans 'Six Wives Of Henry VIII' where they both contribute to different tracks (3 each).White is a powerhouse drummer while Bruford is more subtle.Both are excellent in their own right.That doesnt answer the question but I agree with kirklott that White has helped keep the band together over the years so that makes him more important to Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 02:52
i believe squire was better with bruford in the group. its like his bass playing went way downhill when bruford left. im a bruford man myself.
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