Bill Bruford vs. Alan White for YES |
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cobb
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 03:25 | |
The man who thinks electronic drumsets are still cool vs a good solid drummer... hmmm
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Plastic Man
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 04:20 | |
by the way, how the hell did alan white lose his british accent?
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Phil
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 05:03 | |
I agree. I think that's very well put. I'd also say that as a rythmn section, Squire and White struggled on Tales but really got their act together for Relayer. I think Alan White helped bring out another dimension to Chris Squire's playing. |
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 05:14 | |
Bill Bruford is a better drummer in all senses. Alan White is very good, but he does not have that jazzy style that makes Bruford so good. I do agree with Kirklott' opinion: White is more important to Yes's history than Bruford. By the way, Bruford's drumming with Crimson is actually better than wiht Yes. |
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nico
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 05:14 | |
I prefer Bruford but White is escellent too
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Phil
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 05:26 | |
I've just got hold of the 4 CD box set "The Great Deceiver" of live Crimson material from 73/74 and I have to agree with you. |
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chopper
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 07:41 | |
You've nailed it there - Bruford is a jazz drummer, White is a rock drummer. I love Bruford's playing - he has a great touch - but I can't imagine Bruford playing Gates of Delirium or Ritual. |
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 08:46 | |
The question here is who was the better drummer for Yes, and Alan White has proved himself in that capacity many times over. He established himself on Relayer and GFTO and has maintained his position on the Yes drum stool ever since, through all their ups and downs. Bruford is unquestionably the better drummer, but he was better suited to a band like King Crimson where he had the scope to improvise. |
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Drachen Theaker
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 09:09 | |
Definitely! When you listen to Bruford's incredible drumming on Starless, it's miles better than anything he did with Yes. Alan White is not as technically adept but is a great rock drummer, and has more than proved his worth on albums like Relayer. Edited by Drachen Theaker |
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thefalafelking
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 09:27 | |
bruford without any doubt!! The heart of the sunrise, being the evidence of this!!! Like people earlier said on this site, is the essence of what he would achieve later with king crimson, but bruford has always been very good, it's just that he had more space to do his own thing than in yes.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 10:05 | |
What was silly about it? |
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progadicto
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:07 | |
ALAN WHITE... I love the Bruford era but you can't compare... both have differente styles and both have an important inffluence on Yes in their respective eras. I think Bruford is better drummer than White but Alan IS the sound of the drums in Yes actually not Bruford...
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Prosciutto
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 11:13 | |
I don't think that's accurate. Bruford reportedly said "the worst nightmare for a any drummer is to play with Chris Squire" or something like that. In any case, while Bill is BY FAR better drummer than Alan White, I think Alan's playing fits much better the "Yes sound", his playing on the "Bruford songs" isn't that complex yet much more powerful, for example I love the way Alan plays on And you & I and Starship Trooper, he gives these songs a "rockier" yet very progressive feel. Bill is more of an experimental drummer and his style is more at home with King Crimson IMO. |
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Don't be a prog-hole, please...
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Cinema
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 12:55 | |
It's not a matter of which is a better drummer ... both are extremely good at
their craft, so that argument is pointless. For every Bruford Yes highlight you provide, I can provide an equally impressive White Yes highlight. You say CTTE? I say The Gates of Deliriium. You say Heart of the Sunrise? I say Sound Chaser. And the list goes on and on. In the end, both men have contributed to, and are a part of, the legacy that is Yes, and neither merit being compared to the other. |
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Sweetmonkeylove
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 13:57 | |
I agree. Alan nailed Relayer especially and did a damn good job for yes. I must say though, that while Bruford was in Yes he was excellent, I much prefer his stuff with KC which is amazing. Both good drummers. But overall, for Yes at least, Bruford wins it i think, although alan does appreciate the band more and fits better. Extremely close call, but bruford is very slightly ahead. |
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el böthy
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 14:20 | |
Well...Bruford is technically better and stuff...and I do like his work better...but Im happy he left Yes to join Crimson...because in Yes he did an amazing job, but in Crimson...specially in the 80!!!
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Tholomyes
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 14:26 | |
Well. I prefer Bruford's playing in 70's with Wetton, in contrast to the 80's I think the Three of a perfect pair album is the weakest album that Bruford ever played. But Discipline album is an exception, just listen Indiscipline. |
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gok22us
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:32 | |
What ever we say I think Tales From Topographic Oceans would've been a better album had Bill drummed on it. His drumming would've made the more tedious sections a lot more interesting. |
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:35 | |
I like'em both
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drumsandbass
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 17:52 | |
In my opinion Bruford exceeds Alan's skill. However, I could never imagine
Bruford playing on Tales. Tales is one of my favorite albums. |
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