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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:23
Tough tough question. I think they're both great, but I'll have to go for Bruford simply because of his amazing drumming on "And You And I"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:27

Tony Kaye got booted out (or left, I don't think anybody's sure) because his playing was no longer intricate enough for Yes's evolving sound.  Rick became more suitable for the role, so he was given it.  Bill probably didn't leave because he felt he could no longer contribute, but in my opinion he'd run his course with Yes and it was time for someone new.  I find Alan's renditions of the CTTE songs just as good as Bill's (though no better), and perhaps more suitable for an energetic live setting.  Anything before CTTE doesn't sound quite as good with Alan on drums (although it does rock harder, which is nice for the sake of variety.)  TYA and Fragile are Bill's territory.  However, can you imagine Bill playing Ritual? (I personally love Alan's performance on TFTO, though many disagree.)  How about Gates of Delerium?  Sound Chaser?  Nope.  Relayer was all Alan.  The project may have turned out differently with Bill in the drum stool, but I like it the way it is.

My point is that although Bill was (and is) undoubtedly the superior drummer (although Alan's no slouch), NIETHER can be given the title of "Difinitive Yes Drummer", because they played in two different incarnations of Yes, one which was more suited to Bill, and one which was more suited to Alan.

Just my opinion.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 18:29

Originally posted by Plastic Man Plastic Man wrote:

by the way, how the hell did alan white lose his british accent?

He lives in Seattle now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 21:14
Originally posted by gok22us gok22us wrote:

Bruford makes Yes sound a LOT better. Listen to Close to the Edge from "an evening of yes music plus" and listen to any other version with Alan White on drums, and it's apparent.

I totally disagree, and have no idea how you can say that.

Bruford's "electro" drumming is the second worst aspect of that album, after the fact that Squire's backing vocals are absent.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 21:16

Originally posted by Proglover Proglover wrote:

Bill's SILLY electro drumming???????????...Well I suppose we all have our opinions.

I'm not the only person who has critiqued Bill's electro drumming in this thread.

So yes, you are entitled to your (minority) opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 21:20

Originally posted by Plastic Man Plastic Man wrote:

by the way, how the hell did alan white lose his british accent?

If I understand correctly, he's lived in the Seattle area for at least 2 decades.

That and tons of enriched Wonder Bread

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2005 at 21:25
Originally posted by Prosciutto Prosciutto wrote:

I don't think that's accurate. Bruford reportedly said "the worst nightmare for a any drummer is to play with Chris Squire" or something like that.

Well, Bruford is the Daffy Duck of prog. I made that up, so if you wish to quote me, you must pay me 25 cents for each use.

Anyway, I love Bill, but he has duck lips and criticizes everyone with his delightfully cynical dry wit. Squire is, in my opinion, the best bass player ever. So regardless of whether Squire's late to gigs or whatever, it was an honor for Bruford to play with Squire (and vice versa)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2005 at 03:08
 Apart from playing abilities Alan is a much better solution. He respects the music of Yes much more than Bill. Both are excellent drummers on their on right , but Bill fits the style of King Crimson better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:39
Originally posted by kirklott kirklott wrote:

Originally posted by Prosciutto Prosciutto wrote:

I don't think that's accurate. Bruford reportedly said "the worst nightmare for a any drummer is to play with Chris Squire" or something like that.

Well, Bruford is the Daffy Duck of prog. I made that up, so if you wish to quote me, you must pay me 25 cents for each use.

Anyway, I love Bill, but he has duck lips and criticizes everyone with his delightfully cynical dry wit. Squire is, in my opinion, the best bass player ever. So regardless of whether Squire's late to gigs or whatever, it was an honor for Bruford to play with Squire (and vice versa)

What's up, Doc??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:40
Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Originally posted by M. B. Zapelini M. B. Zapelini wrote:

By the way, Bruford's drumming with Crimson is actually better than wiht Yes.



I've just got hold of the 4 CD box set "The Great Deceiver" of live Crimson material from 73/74 and I have to agree with you.

Good choice, Phil! This box set is awesome.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2005 at 03:55
I kinda like Bill Bruford a lot more
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