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    Posted: November 21 2005 at 00:31
Obviously they're a power metal band first, but I've seen them listed in a few places as prog metal (Wikipedia with their hilarious half-strict rules or Artistdirect, for instance). I've never really thought of them as prog aside from on a few parts of "Elements, part one", but I'm curious as to what you guys think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2005 at 03:00

No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog  simultaneously.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2005 at 03:13

They're not a prog band, altough they're technically very good. A decent melodic power  metal band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:33
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog  simultaneously.

Do you know Adagio and Symphony X?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:36
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog  simultaneously.

According to this site...power metal+keyboard solos=prog metal

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 08:45
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog  simultaneously.

Do you know Adagio and Symphony X?

Well yeah SyX is quite power-metallish and I think DT's Images and Words is too, but they are different  Stratovarius and their clones cause they use that power-metal approach in a more creative  way (damn, i guess there IS prog power metal then )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 11:55
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog  simultaneously.

Then why is Pagan's Mind here?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 20:15
They are more prog than Nightwish IMO, which is in the archives..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 20:28
No, Stratovarius is not a progressive band, although they're technically very skilled and I like a lot of their stuff.

Has anybody heard their abysmal new single, Maniac Dance? It sounds like Motley Crue, but less musically interesting, which is something I never thought any band could accomplish, let alone one that's normally good like Strato.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 21:07

Yes, Stratovarius is not prog. But, again more "prog" than Nightwish ;)

But i agree, none are prog...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 21:58
Yeah, but it's pretty much universally accepted that the inclusion of Nightwish on this site is a mistake and they aren't a prog band, so using them as a reason to include other bands doesn't make much sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 22:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:01
Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

No, Stratovarius is not a progressive band, although they're technically very skilled and I like a lot of their stuff.

Has anybody heard their abysmal new single, Maniac Dance? It sounds like Motley Crue, but less musically interesting, which is something I never thought any band could accomplish, let alone one that's normally good like Strato.


Yeah, I think it's kind of weak. I'm not particularly fond of their new album. But with all of the turmoil they've dealt with in recent years, I think they deserve a free pass for one album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 15:14
Thought I'd resurrect this one with my members (only) hat on.
 
I'm sure the prog metal team will be aware of Statovarius. What are your (and other members) views on them being listed on the site, either as prog metal, or perhaps as prog related?
 
It seems to me that much of what they do has strong prog connections, both in terms of individual tracks, and the way they put their albums together.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 16:47
^^my feeling is if you open the door to Stratovarius, you'll be opening the door to a whole host of Symphonic Power metal bands like Sonata Arctica, Vision Divine, Circle II Circle and so on...its difficult to see where it would end....Ermm
 
...I think there is a general consensus of oppinion that Masterplan should never have been included...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 17:29
Oh no, for God's sake!
Otherwise let's include everyone who ever pulled the strings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 03:24
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^my feeling is if you open the door to Stratovarius, you'll be opening the door to a whole host of Symphonic Power metal bands like Sonata Arctica, Vision Divine, Circle II Circle and so on...its difficult to see where it would end....Ermm
 


you cant deny they classical influence, and this door got opened in the second that symp x were added.

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In a way these bands revived the music which had sparked the Progressive Metal movement in the 1980s. In the meantime the musical environment had changed a lot, for example neo-classical elements had been made popular by one Yngwie J. Malmsteen. This was influential for most Progressive Metal bands which were rooted in power metal.

The following bands can largely be attributed to American Power Metal, although some are borderline to the Eclectic/Mainstream Progressive Metal bands.


by this site policy's, they considered as prog!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:26
Yes, Stratavarious are higly skilled and have some prog elements in their songs, I won't deny that.
A lot of power metal bands have prog elements in their music, but they aren't prog, and niether is  Stratovarius IMO and I'm sure a lot of other people yet to come across this thread, will probably agree they aren't prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:39
Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:


you cant deny they classical influence, and this door got opened in the second that symp x were added.


 
 
I have to be honest, I don't usually bother getting involved in these types of conversations on this site, as they tend to quickly become circular and ultimately pointless...but surely having a 'classical influence' just isn't enough, and there is a raft of difference between Symph X and Strato in style...an average Strato album has one or two tracks out of the 10 which may be considered more expansive in terms of structure, length and intracacy of concept, but then so do Vision Divine and a load of others; its become part of the Power metal mantle...
 
but in terms of time and tempo changes, and clear Progressive influence, they just don't come close to S X...not by a long way, and therefore shouldn't be added...Smile
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:39
Stratovarius are one of the first power metal bands I got into and I used to think they are prog metal. Not anymore. Infinite is my favorite album from them.

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