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    Posted: November 20 2006 at 12:34
I guess the right term shoul be acoustic organ, so that my list should be reduced to:
 
RDM - Contamination
Mercyful Fate - don't break the oath
Devil Doll - sacrilege...
vangelis - jerusalem


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:05
Rescenlty I found another church organ-driven gem: Il Paese dei Balocchi - "Ritorno Alla Condizione Umana" (from "Il Paese dei Balocchi" album).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 07:13
Certainly Yes tracks mentioned, Rick Wakeman Tracks, Keith Emerson. The Focus track is La Cathedrale de Strasbourg from the Hamburger Concerto Album.
It is important to distinguish between a full blown Church organ and its much scaled-down offspring the positive Organ (I guess Wakeman's Mander is in this category). Same principle, far smaller and just about portable it has delicate flutey sounds (listen to Wakeman using it on Side 2 of Topographic Oceans) and also used occasionally by Kerry Minnear (Experience uses it I think) as well as the Regal, a similar instrument using reed pipes. Gryphon preobably used one of these two instruments.
Close to the Edge CERTAINLY uses a church organ (St. Giles, Cripplegate if it's the same as Wakeman used on Jane Seymour) but its clear the recording of this (which would have been made 'in situ') was switched on for their early live performance (see Yessongs) and played over by the band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 03:59
Originally posted by Sir Hogweed Sir Hogweed wrote:

Hi Fuxi. I love the organ work of both of the great composers you mentioned, but I also enjoy the organ work on Awaken very much.


Dear Sir, I can only admire your patience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 01:21
RDM - Contamination
Mercyful Fate - don't break the oath
Marillion - fugazi
Devil Doll - sacrilege...
i suspect on metheny's wichita falls the use of a church organ
arena - intro on crying for help 4? not sure though
roger waters - intro on it's a miracle? not sure though
vangelis - jerusalem


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2006 at 23:19
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:



Surely it's no coincidence that prog virtuosos of impeccable taste such as David Sinclair, Dave Stewart and Kerry Minnear never use the church organ at all?
 
  1. Please Man, there's nothuing like impeccable taste, taste is something personal that you can't measure, my taste is impeccable for me and your taste should be impeccable for you. Now if you need to adecquate your taste to other person's, then we're in trouble.
  2. BTW: Virtuso keyboardists as Wakeman, Moraz, Nocenzi and par Lindh love Church Organ.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2006 at 18:23
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Anyone familiar with the organ works of J.S. Bach or Buxtehude will know exactly what I mean.
Hi Fuxi. I love the organ work of both of the great composers you mentioned, but I also enjoy the organ work on Awaken very much. So I don't know what you're talking about. Do you seriously believe that keyboardists should stay away from the pipe-organ unless they come up with better stuff than Bach?Confused
 
I just like the sound of the instrument too much for that. Even when it gets played by lesser gods like myself. Therefore I also like it's use in prog in general.
 
Nice thread, some other examples:
 
Marillion - She Chameleon
Flower Kings - Humanizzimo, Church Of Your Heart, The Truth Will Set You Free (samples)
Alan Parsons Project - Don't Let It Show
Yes - Vevey revisited (GFTO remaster bonus)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2006 at 16:07
I find it thrilling when prog keyboardists use the church organ for special effect (e.g. the opening of Yes' PARALLELLS or the sudden appearance of a church organ in Refugee's CREDO), but these caped crusaders get on my nerves as soon as they attempt more extended pieces. For example, Rick Wakeman's noodling during JUDAS ISCARIOT and AWAKEN (accompanied by Jon Anderson's harp) is terribly irritating. There's simply not enough going on! Anyone familiar with the organ works of J.S. Bach or Buxtehude will know exactly what I mean. (Bach is THRILLING, you see, he rocks.) And that choir ah-ah-ing along on JUDAS ISCARIOT is a classic example of pure kitsch.

Surely it's no coincidence that prog virtuosos of impeccable taste such as David Sinclair, Dave Stewart and Kerry Minnear never use the church organ at all?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2006 at 06:03
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

Yes - Close to the Edge!


Didn't Rick Wakeman actually record it in a church?

The organ in Awaken (and Parallels) was played in a church and recorded down a telephone line!

 
 
Indeed - and the same was true when Rick Wakeman recorded Criminal Record in the same time period at the same Swiss church.  BTW, the organ on CTTE was a Mander pipe organ, a portable pipe-organ instrument that could be found in a church, but was not the case when recording CTTE.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:04
Don't think the Close to the Edge source has ever been proven. Six Wives (ugh!) had some tapes recorded at St Giles Cripplegate in London. Wakeman also definitely recorded in Vevey and, yes, piped (sic) it down the phone for Going for the One and other stuff. Par Lindh also definitely. The rest; most of it is studio trickery. Am unsure about Emerson, though - it sounds real enough, but...
 
Hamburger Concerto (hurrah!) is definitely not pipe organ. A good, odd album is Keith Jarrett's Hymns/Spheres (ECM) which has a lot of pipe organ improvisation.
 
Would like to see more on this topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2006 at 14:26
Christopher North's pipe organ on Ambrosia's "Drink Of Water" is hands down the best use
of a pipe organ! It is brilliantly played and recorded. It was recorded by Gordon Parry the chief classical recording engineer of DECCA records and then mixed by Alan Parsons.
Talk about the hair standing up on the back of your neck! Just Incredible!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2006 at 03:45

john paul jones of led zeppelin actually played organ at the church service in his adolescense, before taking on the studio recording musician activity. this is proved by the brilliant intro to Your Time is Gonna Come from the first album. his father also was a jazz piano player and composer, and this among others made him the main progressive influence in the band, especially since 1970 when he came back to keyboards for live experiments that will grow in time as a strong progressive component of the band's music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2006 at 03:22
Goblin!

("Profondo Rosso" and "Chi?- Part 2", there are most likely more songs) Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2006 at 00:23
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

skipping classics a bit, here's a moment of church organ recital I truly appreciate:

Rick Wakeman's Lincoln Cathedral

I think I said it in my review too, I gave the album to a friend of music, who plays the organ and has the music focus onto this point, and he pronounced over it as mature, nice, good structured. It's basically just the new age-like modern thematic (minimal) improvisations Rick usually does, but the organ atmopheres commences heavily and lifts up a notch...everything.

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Also check out SBB keyboardist Jozef Skrzek's CDs Koncert Sweitokrzyski and Czas (organ + guest on Moog)!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:42
Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

Originally posted by Catholic Flame Catholic Flame wrote:

Iron Butterfly's 
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yeah, check out the simpson's episode "bart sells
his soul" if you can! this song will never be the same
afterwards!!!!!!!!


Yes that was hilarious!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:29
skipping classics a bit, here's a moment of church organ recital I truly appreciate:

Rick Wakeman's Lincoln Cathedral

I think I said it in my review too, I gave the album to a friend of music, who plays the organ and has the music focus onto this point, and he pronounced over it as mature, nice, good structured. It's basically just the new age-like modern thematic (minimal) improvisations Rick usually does, but the organ atmopheres commences heavily and lifts up a notch...everything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:23
Recently I've played ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition a few times and the church organ intro is goosebump stuff.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 15:04
My list of great church organs:

Jacula / Antonius Rex (lots of church organs)
Par Lindh Project (lots of church organs)
Yes - Close to the Edge, Parallels, Awaken
Rick Wakeman - Jane Seymour, Judas Iscariot, Lax'x
Gli Alluminogeni - Thrilling
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - The Three Fates, The Hymn (Infinite Space)
Refugee - Credo
Trace - Final Trace, King-Bird
Tritonus - Far in the Sky
Styx - Little Fugue in D Minor, Father O.S.A., Hallelujah Chorus, I'm Okay
Il Rovescio Della Medaglia - La Mia Musica, Cella 503, La Grande Fuga
Glass Hammer - Run Lisette, Long and Long Ago
Anglagard - Jordrok
Ambrosia - Drink of Water
Birth Control - Hoodoo Man
The Trip - Corale, Analisi, L'Utima Ora E Ode a J. Hendrix
Fireballet - Night on Bald Mountain
Albatross - Devil's Strumpet
Pell Mell - Toccata
The Old Man & The Sea - Prelude
Collegium Musicum - Piesne z Kolovratku, Eufonia
Gerard - Keep a Memory Green
Ars Nova - Android Domina

And that's all "church organ in prog" I know in fact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2005 at 07:11
led zeppelin's no quarter in the song remains the same
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2005 at 01:19
Going For the one, Yes, Going for the one album.
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