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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 18:59
Originally posted by SolariS SolariS wrote:

 

I pick Nursery Cryme over Fragile because I don't like Jon Anderson's voice. But I will give credit where credit is due. Fragile is probably more influential than Nursery Cryme.

 

 



probably.... how about without a doubt.  Ask the 10 or 11 people outside of Europe that heard Nursery Cryme in the early 70's.     Fragile was the breakout album, for the definative prog group.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:01
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by SolariS SolariS wrote:

 

I pick Nursery Cryme over Fragile because I don't like Jon Anderson's voice. But I will give credit where credit is due. Fragile is probably more influential than Nursery Cryme.

 

 



probably.... how about without a doubt.  Ask the 10 or 11 people outside of Europe that heard Nursery Cryme in the early 70's.     Fragile was the breakout album, for the definative prog group.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:15
Originally posted by XTChuck XTChuck wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS
better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down
too much. Fragile is the clear winner



<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3>Yeah, I
think that just about hits the nail on the head.......


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I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan of Fragile
myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just composed
better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one member
each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that Fragile wins
by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere. Genesis was
known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I guess it
could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:25
Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:26
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by XTChuck XTChuck wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS
better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down
too much. Fragile is the clear winner



<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3>Yeah, I
think that just about hits the nail on the head.......


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I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan of Fragile
myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just composed
better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one member
each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that Fragile wins
by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere. Genesis was
known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I guess it
could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now...

I think the overall QUALITY of fragile is better, the songs heart of the sunrise, roundabout, south side of the sky and even long distance runaround wipe the map with EVERYTHING on nursery cryme! and the short numbers from each member of the band very much DO add to the atmosphere because in between these longer more structured songs you've got snippets of beauty that really bring the album together excellently "we have heaven" leading into "south side of the sky" is a perfect example of this. i would love to know what you mean by nursery cryme is "composed" better. not being sarcastic just curios.

I do like nursery cryme, i was glad the day i bought it and still am now, but fragile is the sound of a band getting in their stride, and when yes were in that stage of their career, nothing could match them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:35
Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.


nice post,  though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'.   South Side of the Sky....  if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep.  The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore.  Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field.  Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course).  We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels.   Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:39

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.


nice post,  though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'.   South Side of the Sky....  if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep.  The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore.  Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field.  Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course).  We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels.   Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me.

I also think fragile has an excellent atmosphere and you have put it beautifully



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.


nice post,  though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'.   South Side of the Sky....  if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep.  The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore.  Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field.  Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course).  We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels.   Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me.

I also think fragile has an excellent atmosphere and you have put it beautifully

^ I don't hear why anyone can say that the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme is prominent. The album is so poorly produced it's like listening to an old gramaphone playing!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:48
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.


nice post,  though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'.   South Side of the Sky....  if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep.  The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore.  Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field.  Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course).  We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels.   Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me.

I also think fragile has an excellent atmosphere and you have put it beautifully

^ I don't hear why anyone can say that the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme is prominent. The album is so poorly produced it's like listening to an old gramaphone playing!



thanks Winter Wine, nuggets of wisdom are rare out of my mouth, so I savor them.

Nursery Cryme is a decent album by an up and coming group.  Nothing more nothing less, personally I like the album, it's just IMO nowhere near Fragile on most any level.  Other than personal preference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 19:55
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Hmm... it's tough to compare Fragile to Nursery Cryme. I would say that they
are both excellent records. But, i think Nursery Cryme's strength is
"atmosphere", and Fragile's strength is "execution" (or production). I think
the 2 records are equally good but for different reasons.


nice post,  though I'd contend Fragile was full of 'atmosphere'.   South Side of the Sky....  if that is the sound of freezing to death... I'll pass on dying in my sleep.  The Fish.... aquatic adventures galore.  Mood for a Day... I picture myself enjoying a nice spring day in a grassy field.  Heart of the Sunrise.... hell probably the most atmospheric of all (mainly for the intro of course).  We Have Heaven.... picture yourself floating with the angels.   Very atmospheric in my book, but that's just me.

I also think fragile has an excellent atmosphere and you have put it beautifully

^ I don't hear why anyone can say that the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme is prominent. The album is so poorly produced it's like listening to an old gramaphone playing!



thanks Winter Wine, nuggets of wisdom are rare out of my mouth, so I savor them.

Nursery Cryme is a decent album by an up and coming group.  Nothing more nothing less, personally I like the album, it's just IMO nowhere near Fragile on most any level.  Other than personal preference.

I fully agree with ya!  like them both! but you have to hand it to fragile!  keep those nuggets of wisdom comin!! hehe

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:02
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by XTChuck XTChuck wrote:


Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS
better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down
too much. Fragile is the clear winner



<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3>Yeah, I
think that just about hits the nail on the head.......


<FONT face=Verdana size=3> 


I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan
of Fragile myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just
composed better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one
member each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that
Fragile wins by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere.
Genesis was known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I
guess it could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now...


I think the overall QUALITY of fragile is better, the songs heart of the
sunrise, roundabout, south side of the sky and even long distance
runaround wipe the map with EVERYTHING on nursery cryme! and the
short numbers from each member of the band very much DO add to the
atmosphere because in between these longer more structured songs
you've got snippets of beauty that really bring the album together
excellently "we have heaven" leading into "south side of the sky" is a
perfect example of this. i would love to know what you mean by nursery
cryme is "composed" better. not being sarcastic just curios.


I do like nursery cryme, i was glad the day i bought it and still am now,
but fragile is the sound of a band getting in their stride, and when yes
were in that stage of their career, nothing could match them.




Here is my review of Nursery Cryme:

"This album opens up with "The Musical Box." A beautiful album opener
(as we know how good Genesis was at opening albums. It starts off with
Gabriel singing quietly and very emotionally ("All your hearts now seem
so far away...) The song follows the quiet and very emotional feel until the
instrumental break at about 4 minutes. The song explodes as Hackett
solo's perfectly to embody the emotional buildup. The next part ("The
clock, tick tock..") is even quiter than the beginning until Gabriel sings
"the wall" powerfully. This instrumental break is long and inspiring. The
final buildup begins after this instrumental break. This is one of the most
emotionally powerful conclusions (if not, the most) of any song that I've
heard. Hearing Gabriel sing with all his power "Why don't you touch me,
touch me" and repeating "NOW" gives me chills everytime. The song was
based on a young girl Cynthia (9) who "gracefully" removed Henry's (8)
head while playing a game of croquet. The story of the song begins with
Cynthia discovering Henry's musical box that included the figure "Old
King Cole" when she opened it. Cynthia saw the lifetime of desires go by
as Henry aged with nothing but a child's mind and vision. Henry was
attempting to have Cynthia persue his romantic desire when she threw
the musical box at the elderly looking child and destroyed them both.
(This story can be found in the inside booklet of the "Nursery Cryme"
album.) The album cover is also a depiction of this song and story. You
can also find the album cover of Nursery Cryme imbetted in the back of
Foxtrot if you look carefully (with a few interesting tweaks.)

The follow up to the Musical Box is "For Absent Friends" sung by Phil
Collins. This is the one song sung by Collins that I can actually say that I
enjoy. It's very short but is emotional and a well written, piano driven
song (though many fans tend to dismiss it.)

"The Return of the Giant Hogweed" is yet another Genesis masterpiece.
It's a rather guitar-bass heavy song and comes in very strongly vocally.
This is a great example of how Genesis' use humor in their music. The
giant hogweed either depicts a set of corrupt rulers or the media-
damaged people from society (could be interpreted in many ways but
that's the direction that I tend to lean.) Gabriel's singing really stands out
in this song. His quiet singing and heavy vocal during the verses contrast
very well and keep the song very interesting. The piano break by Banks a
little more than half way through the song also adds a lot to the song.

"Seven Stones" is, in my opinion, a very under-recognized (I will not say
underrated) Genesis song. The sea in this song (as Gabriel likes to use a
lot) represents emotion (the sea and water is an old symbol for emotion,
and we know how Gabriel is with symbols.) This song has some of the
best melodies that I've heard (my favorite being "Despair that tires the
world, bring the old man laughter...")

Next we have "Harold the Barrel." Many people consider this song a
"joke." This couldn't be farther from the truth. They are using the Genesis
humor that is present in a lot of songs, but the song is by no means a
joke. It is a very complex and well written song with a brilliant melody. It
talks about a man that is contemplating suicide and the news makes a big
story of it where they tell Harold "We're all your friends, if you come on
down and talk to us son." It really is interesting how Genesis is depicting
the media's effect on suicide. This is definitely a standout track that fits
well and adds some diversity to the album.

My personal opinion is that "Harlequin" is the weakest track on the album,
though it is still far from weak. Gabriel and Collins sing this song
together in it's entirety and the harmonies are done well. The album
concludes with "The Fountain of Salmacis." This song really defines the
"Symphonic" part of Symphonic Prog. The buildup is very strong (even
from the very beginning) and makes me think that there are more than
just 5 guys playing here. The lyrics are brilliant (as always when talking
about Gabriel-era Genesis.) This song talks about Hermaphrodite (a
flower/person/animal containing both male and female organs) using the
Greek mythology where it was originated. It was interesting to learn
where the word hermaphrodite came from, since I had no idea until
reading this song. The emotion for Hermaphroditus is very strong and
displayed well by Genesis vocally and musically."

The magic atmosphere that is present while I listen to Genesis' music is
unmatched. Their compositional skills are above that of Yes IN MY
OPINION (keep in mind.) They wrote the musical parts to reflect the
emotions of the lyrics. This is what made Genesis so emotional and gave
them that sort of "magic" sound about their music. If you don't hear it,
that's fine, but you're just missing out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:08
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by XTChuck XTChuck wrote:


Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS
better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down
too much. Fragile is the clear winner



<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3>Yeah, I
think that just about hits the nail on the head.......


<FONT face=Verdana size=3> 


I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan
of Fragile myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just
composed better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one
member each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that
Fragile wins by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere.
Genesis was known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I
guess it could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now...


I think the overall QUALITY of fragile is better, the songs heart of the
sunrise, roundabout, south side of the sky and even long distance
runaround wipe the map with EVERYTHING on nursery cryme! and the
short numbers from each member of the band very much DO add to the
atmosphere because in between these longer more structured songs
you've got snippets of beauty that really bring the album together
excellently "we have heaven" leading into "south side of the sky" is a
perfect example of this. i would love to know what you mean by nursery
cryme is "composed" better. not being sarcastic just curios.


I do like nursery cryme, i was glad the day i bought it and still am now,
but fragile is the sound of a band getting in their stride, and when yes
were in that stage of their career, nothing could match them.




Here is my review of Nursery Cryme:

"This album opens up with "The Musical Box." A beautiful album opener
(as we know how good Genesis was at opening albums. It starts off with
Gabriel singing quietly and very emotionally ("All your hearts now seem
so far away...) The song follows the quiet and very emotional feel until the
instrumental break at about 4 minutes. The song explodes as Hackett
solo's perfectly to embody the emotional buildup. The next part ("The
clock, tick tock..") is even quiter than the beginning until Gabriel sings
"the wall" powerfully. This instrumental break is long and inspiring. The
final buildup begins after this instrumental break. This is one of the most
emotionally powerful conclusions (if not, the most) of any song that I've
heard. Hearing Gabriel sing with all his power "Why don't you touch me,
touch me" and repeating "NOW" gives me chills everytime. The song was
based on a young girl Cynthia (9) who "gracefully" removed Henry's (8)
head while playing a game of croquet. The story of the song begins with
Cynthia discovering Henry's musical box that included the figure "Old
King Cole" when she opened it. Cynthia saw the lifetime of desires go by
as Henry aged with nothing but a child's mind and vision. Henry was
attempting to have Cynthia persue his romantic desire when she threw
the musical box at the elderly looking child and destroyed them both.
(This story can be found in the inside booklet of the "Nursery Cryme"
album.) The album cover is also a depiction of this song and story. You
can also find the album cover of Nursery Cryme imbetted in the back of
Foxtrot if you look carefully (with a few interesting tweaks.)

The follow up to the Musical Box is "For Absent Friends" sung by Phil
Collins. This is the one song sung by Collins that I can actually say that I
enjoy. It's very short but is emotional and a well written, piano driven
song (though many fans tend to dismiss it.)

"The Return of the Giant Hogweed" is yet another Genesis masterpiece.
It's a rather guitar-bass heavy song and comes in very strongly vocally.
This is a great example of how Genesis' use humor in their music. The
giant hogweed either depicts a set of corrupt rulers or the media-
damaged people from society (could be interpreted in many ways but
that's the direction that I tend to lean.) Gabriel's singing really stands out
in this song. His quiet singing and heavy vocal during the verses contrast
very well and keep the song very interesting. The piano break by Banks a
little more than half way through the song also adds a lot to the song.

"Seven Stones" is, in my opinion, a very under-recognized (I will not say
underrated) Genesis song. The sea in this song (as Gabriel likes to use a
lot) represents emotion (the sea and water is an old symbol for emotion,
and we know how Gabriel is with symbols.) This song has some of the
best melodies that I've heard (my favorite being "Despair that tires the
world, bring the old man laughter...")

Next we have "Harold the Barrel." Many people consider this song a
"joke." This couldn't be farther from the truth. They are using the Genesis
humor that is present in a lot of songs, but the song is by no means a
joke. It is a very complex and well written song with a brilliant melody. It
talks about a man that is contemplating suicide and the news makes a big
story of it where they tell Harold "We're all your friends, if you come on
down and talk to us son." It really is interesting how Genesis is depicting
the media's effect on suicide. This is definitely a standout track that fits
well and adds some diversity to the album.

My personal opinion is that "Harlequin" is the weakest track on the album,
though it is still far from weak. Gabriel and Collins sing this song
together in it's entirety and the harmonies are done well. The album
concludes with "The Fountain of Salmacis." This song really defines the
"Symphonic" part of Symphonic Prog. The buildup is very strong (even
from the very beginning) and makes me think that there are more than
just 5 guys playing here. The lyrics are brilliant (as always when talking
about Gabriel-era Genesis.) This song talks about Hermaphrodite (a
flower/person/animal containing both male and female organs) using the
Greek mythology where it was originated. It was interesting to learn
where the word hermaphrodite came from, since I had no idea until
reading this song. The emotion for Hermaphroditus is very strong and
displayed well by Genesis vocally and musically."

The magic atmosphere that is present while I listen to Genesis' music is
unmatched. Their compositional skills are above that of Yes IN MY
OPINION (keep in mind.) They wrote the musical parts to reflect the
emotions of the lyrics. This is what made Genesis so emotional and gave
them that sort of "magic" sound about their music. If you don't hear it,
that's fine, but you're just missing out.

Sorry DT, but I don't hear a lot of what you described when listening to Nursery Cryme which to me sound just like a bunch of kids learning their trade and I don't mean that disrespectfully!

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Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by XTChuck XTChuck wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:


Fragile by miles, stronger songs, better atmosphere, just SOUNDS
better. Nursery cryme's shabby production and weak tracks bring it down
too much. Fragile is the clear winner



<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3>Yeah, I
think that just about hits the nail on the head.......


<FONT face=Verdana size=3> 


I think that couldn't be further from the truth. I am a big fan
of Fragile myself but can't chose it in this one. Nursery Cryme is just
composed better overall. The four songs that are short and written by one
member each just bring down the album a bit. You can't tell me that
Fragile wins by miles because of stronger songs and better atmosphere.
Genesis was known for their atmosphere and emotion in their songs. Eh, I
guess it could be considered opinion. Well at least you know mine now...


I think the overall QUALITY of fragile is better, the songs heart of the
sunrise, roundabout, south side of the sky and even long distance
runaround wipe the map with EVERYTHING on nursery cryme! and the
short numbers from each member of the band very much DO add to the
atmosphere because in between these longer more structured songs
you've got snippets of beauty that really bring the album together
excellently "we have heaven" leading into "south side of the sky" is a
perfect example of this. i would love to know what you mean by nursery
cryme is "composed" better. not being sarcastic just curios.


I do like nursery cryme, i was glad the day i bought it and still am now,
but fragile is the sound of a band getting in their stride, and when yes
were in that stage of their career, nothing could match them.


Here is my review of Nursery Cryme: "This album opens up
with "The Musical Box." A beautiful album opener (as we know how good
Genesis was at opening albums. It starts off with Gabriel singing quietly
and very emotionally ("All your hearts now seem so far away...) The song
follows the quiet and very emotional feel until the instrumental break at
about 4 minutes. The song explodes as Hackett solo's perfectly to
embody the emotional buildup. The next part ("The clock, tick tock..") is
even quiter than the beginning until Gabriel sings "the wall" powerfully.
This instrumental break is long and inspiring. The final buildup begins
after this instrumental break. This is one of the most emotionally
powerful conclusions (if not, the most) of any song that I've heard.
Hearing Gabriel sing with all his power "Why don't you touch me, touch
me" and repeating "NOW" gives me chills everytime. The song was based
on a young girl Cynthia (9) who "gracefully" removed Henry's (8) head
while playing a game of croquet. The story of the song begins with
Cynthia discovering Henry's musical box that included the figure "Old
King Cole" when she opened it. Cynthia saw the lifetime of desires go by
as Henry aged with nothing but a child's mind and vision. Henry was
attempting to have Cynthia persue his romantic desire when she threw
the musical box at the elderly looking child and destroyed them both.
(This story can be found in the inside booklet of the "Nursery Cryme"
album.) The album cover is also a depiction of this song and story. You
can also find the album cover of Nursery Cryme imbetted in the back of
Foxtrot if you look carefully (with a few interesting tweaks.) The follow up
to the Musical Box is "For Absent Friends" sung by Phil Collins. This is the
one song sung by Collins that I can actually say that I enjoy. It's very short
but is emotional and a well written, piano driven song (though many fans
tend to dismiss it.) "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" is yet another
Genesis masterpiece. It's a rather guitar-bass heavy song and comes in
very strongly vocally. This is a great example of how Genesis' use humor
in their music. The giant hogweed either depicts a set of corrupt rulers or
the media- damaged people from society (could be interpreted in many
ways but that's the direction that I tend to lean.) Gabriel's singing really
stands out in this song. His quiet singing and heavy vocal during the
verses contrast very well and keep the song very interesting. The piano
break by Banks a little more than half way through the song also adds a
lot to the song. "Seven Stones" is, in my opinion, a very under-recognized
(I will not say underrated) Genesis song. The sea in this song (as Gabriel
likes to use a lot) represents emotion (the sea and water is an old symbol
for emotion, and we know how Gabriel is with symbols.) This song has
some of the best melodies that I've heard (my favorite being "Despair that
tires the world, bring the old man laughter...") Next we have "Harold the
Barrel." Many people consider this song a "joke." This couldn't be farther
from the truth. They are using the Genesis humor that is present in a lot
of songs, but the song is by no means a joke. It is a very complex and
well written song with a brilliant melody. It talks about a man that is
contemplating suicide and the news makes a big story of it where they
tell Harold "We're all your friends, if you come on down and talk to us
son." It really is interesting how Genesis is depicting the media's effect on
suicide. This is definitely a standout track that fits well and adds some
diversity to the album. My personal opinion is that "Harlequin" is the
weakest track on the album, though it is still far from weak. Gabriel and
Collins sing this song together in it's entirety and the harmonies are done
well. The album concludes with "The Fountain of Salmacis." This song
really defines the "Symphonic" part of Symphonic Prog. The buildup is
very strong (even from the very beginning) and makes me think that there
are more than just 5 guys playing here. The lyrics are brilliant (as always
when talking about Gabriel-era Genesis.) This song talks about
Hermaphrodite (a flower/person/animal containing both male and female
organs) using the Greek mythology where it was originated. It was
interesting to learn where the word hermaphrodite came from, since I had
no idea until reading this song. The emotion for Hermaphroditus is very
strong and displayed well by Genesis vocally and musically." The magic
atmosphere that is present while I listen to Genesis' music is unmatched.
Their compositional skills are above that of Yes IN MY OPINION (keep in
mind.) They wrote the musical parts to reflect the emotions of the lyrics.
This is what made Genesis so emotional and gave them that sort of
"magic" sound about their music. If you don't hear it, that's fine, but
you're just missing out.


Sorry DT, but I don't hear a lot of what you described when listening to
Nursery Cryme which to me sound just like a bunch of kids learning their
trade and I don't mean that disrespectfully!



I'm not saying you have to hear it, it's absolutely fine if you don't. I
believe it was Winter Wine that wanted me to give further reasoning to
why I said I feel that Nursery Cryme is better than Fragile. I don't think it's
far better, I love Yes also and love Fragile (as you can tell by my name,
FragileDT.) Fragile is the album that got me into further 70s symphonic
prog where I found Genesis and all the others. I just don't want it to seem
that I'm giving an unjustified answer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:16

Nursery Cryme.

We were always be much human than we whish to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 21:21
"I don't hear why anyone can say that the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme is
prominent. The album is so poorly produced it's like listening to an old
gramaphone playing!"

Well, I wouldn't say that it's "poorly produced". I also think that there is
more to "atmosphere" than "production". The Beatles live at the Star Club
in Hamburg Germany is a terrible "production", but it oozes with
"atmosphere".

This is an extreme example, but, I hold to my earlier post that Nursery
Cryme has an atmosphere and/or vibe that Fragile simply doesn't have.
And that is coming from a huge Yes fan. Yes' musicianship is unbeatable
at a lot of points in thier career, and it certainly comes across in Fragile
(and even in a way that it didn't with the albums prior to Fragile). It was
the addition of Rick Wakeman that sparked that off. Yes was definitely
exited about making Fragile, and it comes across in the record.

If you want a Yes album to compare to the atmosphere of Nursery Cryme,
you should consider Tales from Topographic Oceans. I think that is the
only time Yes got close to the vibe of Nursery Cryme (or Foxtrot, for that
matter).

Just my 2 cents. Again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:04
Fragile for me. It is more mature and all the songs are well put together, not really a poor track on the album.Nursery crime on the otehr hand youve got Harold the Barrol, Musical Box, Giant Hogweed and Fountain of whatever it is which are all amazing. The other few tracks I think are very mediocre

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:18
Fragile with out a doubt, it is underrated on this site. Fragile is one of the greatest albums ever created Nursery Crime can't campare with Fragile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2005 at 22:31
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2005 at 07:51
Ahhhhh... comon now... how in hell culd i ever shoose betwen thos 2 fantastic albums?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2005 at 07:57
Fragile is indeed the best Yes effort while Nursery Cryme is only the 3rd or 4th best Genesis album... even so, Nursery Cryme is miles ahead of Fragile.  
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