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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:27
Excellent band. Omar may not be John Petrucci or any other crazy shredder but hes about 10 billion times more interesting for me to listen to. TMW are one of the few bands who actually play what they FEEL like playing instead of what notes or chords or time signatures should theoretically work well in counteraction to the previous ones. They may be hard to grasp but they should not be hard to appreciate or respect. and In my honest opinion they deserve about as much respect as anyone does these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:34

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

The Mars Volta is only the best modern prog band. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 01:03

Why the long face? That is somehow right. Ultimately every freakin conventional band sounds like each other (the killers and all that crap). The only two new bands I like are supergroups: Audioslave and Velvet Revolver, but they are not "new" because these guys are veterans already. I was weeping and complaining about music not being cool anymore, taking shelter in past decades(70's and 90's mainly) until I heard these guys. Along with Muse, they revived my thrill and thirst for new and fresh music, although Muse is not that new.

Even though I do not own any of Volta's albums YET, I can easily say they have an authentic style and unique talent, specially those crazy guitars of Omar Rodriguez and High pitch voice Cedric. They mixed prog and punk and post rock, hell who cares about genres? Listening to them is enough!

So not only they are the best of new music they can easily reach the levels of the prog grands in a few years. With that talent and creativity it should be easy...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 13:14
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

If you like that, you should definitely get their first release, "De-loused in the Comatorium".  The more I listen to the two albums, the more I find the first to be much superior to the second.  I really liked what I can only describe as "structured chaos" on De-loused, whereas on FTM there's not as much as structure, much more free-form and ambient...but I realize that people might prefer that approach.

Brilliant band, though. 


I totally agree. I believe that Frances The Mute has very good moments, but too many experimental nosie filling the tracks (Example: the first minutes of Miranda)
Anyway, a great great band, one of the best from this days and with a real progressive attitude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:38
False prog,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:12
Mars volta is my favorite modern progband togheter with Tool. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:17
I'm glad many people consider TMV as some of the very best prog music these days. Cause it happens often that if a band become more famous in the mainstream people start saying they have sold out or people start disliking their fame :). They might be just too good hehe
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:38

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.

 

Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.

I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 18:00
Okay, so you don't like them. . . why do you have to innsult the people who do?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 14:50
The Mars Volta is alright... it's got atmosphere, which is something a lot of music lacks.

But I attribute this influence to their At the Drive-In days. Whenever I hear people talk about TMV I can't help but bring up ATDI and suggest they buy a copy of Relationship of Command or In/Casino/Out. ATDI was, in my opinion, lightyears ahead of TMV for the simple fact that ATDI had energy and didn't have to hide behind sound effects and other gimmicks.

TMV's first release was mindblowing -- I liked that EP a LOT. Then there was De-Loused --- even better.

But then they started doing live tours --- they can't play live worth crap. Take the mediocre guitarist from ATDI with the bad singer, take away the caution and care they used in ATDI to sound precise, and throw them into late-60s Pink Floyd jam sessions. That's a Mars Volta concert. Nothing special really.


They need to make another De-Loused to make up for the (at times) over-exerted and self-indulgent Frances the Mute.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 15:46
Originally posted by óżOldóżHenóż óżOldóżHenóż wrote:

I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P

Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.

Anyone else like them?

x

 

I like the Mars Volta a lot, but to compare their new album Frances the Mute to early Pink Floyd (Meddle, More, Atom herat Mother, Obscured by Clouds, ect..) is a bit misleading.  TMV is too unique to accurately categorize.  I like the album thought, De-loused in Comatorium isnt bad either

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 16:30
Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.

overrated band.

 

Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.

I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows.



THANK YOU. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Porcupine Tree has been making more innovative and creative music since 1988.

I really wish ATDI had stayed together.

And to compare Pink Floyd and The Mars Volta is just disgracing Pink Floyd.
The Floyd was a different era entirely; it was a big dark scary world, it was a time of broken post-Cold War dreams and government conspiracies.

So far, TMV has yet to write their own story like Pink Floyd did with DSoTM or WYWH.

I hope Cedric and Omar know what they're doing --- if they continue in the direction Frances the Mute went, they're going to be setting prog BACK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:25
C'mon. It's not that bad.

IMO is a masterpiece.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:40

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:44
Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.



that pretty much sums it up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:50
Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?



But they are holding the torch for the entire future of prog, don't you GET IT???!!?!?


Pure Brilliance:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:01
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.

I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.

After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?



But they are holding the torch for the entire future of prog, don't you GET IT???!!?!?




No they aren't. If anything, Muse is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:03
You seem to have entirely missed my sarcasm. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:12

Deep frozen Deep phreeze said

"TMV's first release was mindblowing -- I liked that EP a LOT. Then there was De-Loused --- even better.

But then they started doing live tours --- they can't play live worth crap. Take the mediocre guitarist from ATDI with the bad singer, take away the caution and care they used in ATDI to sound precise, and throw them into late-60s Pink Floyd jam sessions. That's a Mars Volta concert. Nothing special really."

which means i have contradicted that post in mine above this. I am shocked at that but then again in the show i saw there were about 2000 supplicants who raised the roof in awe whilst there were 20 or so disgruntled concert goers who left during the long Cassandra Gemmini.

After speaking to fans before and after it was clear that there were different types of fans at the concert.

1.  At the Drive in Fans, Of course with no ATDI to listen to then TMV is the next best thing. For some it was an easy transition but for others they could not adjust to the fact that ATDI no longer exist, and were resentful. (i felt similar when i saw Trevor Horn replace Anderson in Yes, but eventually got over it)

2. Alternative radio listeners who were aware of ATDI and/or had heard the two (that were in rotation to support the tour) Mars Volta singles on the radio. While most were awestruck it was obvious during the longer sections that they were not used to this. The whole audience stood in a seated venue and during the quiet sections they still stood and only fatigue sent them to their seats only for them to jump up the moment the pace changed, Youngsters certainly lack patience.

What alternative band would you see seated? For my part i yearned to sit because TMV are a headphone band, one where you can sit back and take it all in (Like Yes, Sigur Ros etc).

3. Alternative listeners who had heard a little prog and were tentatively open to being  converted. I stood next to a group in the bar who had heard of Pink Floyd from their dads collection or from FM radio etc. They had not heard of the bands on this site. They were very keen to find out more. Obviously TMV are a gateway band into prog.

4 Prog lovers like myself who let it be said were in the minority.

maybe there other sub groups but really TMV are unusual in prog because they have brought a ready made audience with them from ATDI days. Some are happy and others are disgruntled.

Others like me who have come fromthe prog angle are very happy to see such a new and eciting marriage of alternative punkish sounds with traditional prog moods.

Then of course there are the prog diehards who refuse to accept this bratish set of upstarts.

Add your own take on this



 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:23
Sorry , see post above.

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