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Man With Hat 
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 Topic: The Universe
Posted: April 01 2006 at 02:13 |
Dont know if this has been done before, but i thought i'd ask it being it has been on my mind.
Personally i think it would be cool if the universe did compress back onto itself. Yes it would suck, but still...i'll vote for that one.
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 02:16 |
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I would like to think it would keep on expanding forever.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 02:19 |
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Yeah, me too.
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 04:21 |
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Like life itself, the universe will stop and die. It's void will be filled and so the story continues.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Slayer!
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Posted: April 01 2006 at 20:21 |
I think it will crunch back. Eventually all the mass of the universe will overcome the gravity pushing it out, and it will compress back to a single atom, or whatever it began as.
Although, recently its been discovered the universe's rate of expansion is accelerating, supposedly due to dark matter...so maybe it will just keep going forever.
Well thats no fun at all....
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Zargus
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 09:08 |
I voted for "It will stop expanding and then "crunch" back" thats what i have read in many books most scientists seems too think it will do so i belive them. But who know's? 
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 09:14 |
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I prefer the cyclical theory that it will stop expanding, then collapse in a 'big crunch' during which time will run backward.
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JayDee
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 09:34 |
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It will expand forever
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Empathy
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 09:45 |
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While I like the "yin-yang" duality of the thought of a "big crunch",
where the universe collapses on itself, there's another "big bang", and
everything reverses itself...
there doesn't appear to be any antidote to entropy at this point.
Get your warm clothes ready for when the sun drifts further and further away!
Edited by Empathy
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Syzygy
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 11:04 |
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There's going to be a big crunch. Eventually. Then the whole process will start over again.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 11:08 |
I like to think about the "multiverse", an infinite bunch of universes like soap bubbles. Some bubbles may disappear and others may grow, but the movement will always be expansion-crunching, indefinitely. 
Edited by Atkingani
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Peace Frog
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Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:14 |
Personally, it disturbs me to think about. But I think there isn't really a universe, everything just "is". It's just there, and goes on for as long as you follow it. How can you believe something unless you can prove its existence (see, touch, taste, hear, or smell it)? How do you know everything isn't just all made up inside your head and nothing is really real?
It is impossible to get to the "end" of the universe. Say you had infinite years on your life, and infinite fuel on a space ship. You try to get to the end of the universe, but you'd never get anywhere, you'd eventually die from something before you got there. Or there's a point where the universe just doesn't exist anymore, and it sort of reverses back to where you started from.
The whole mystery of the universe scares the hell out of me.
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Empathy
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Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:44 |
 Peace Frog wrote:
How can you believe something unless you can prove its existence (see, touch, taste, hear, or smell it)? |
By logical deduction! Before Newton began trying to decipher the laws
behind gravity, everyone accepted an (incorrect) explanation based
purely on sensory input. We can't see gravity, can we prove it exists?
YES. Same with infrared and ultraviolet light.
Similarly, our brains as they exist now simply may not be able to
process the massive temporal spans and scales involved in dealing with
"macrospace". We need more "brain drive" space! 
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Peace Frog
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Posted: April 04 2006 at 15:21 |
Empathy wrote:
Peace Frog wrote:
How can you believe something unless you can prove its existence (see, touch, taste, hear, or smell it)?
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Similarly, our brains as they exist now simply may not be able to process the massive temporal spans and scales involved in dealing with "macrospace". We need more "brain drive" space!
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That's true. There may be so much more to the universe that we can't see or will never encounter because of how our brain works. Like how babies can't see as much as an adult. So how do we know that all we see is all that's there? And if we had more "brain drive space" who's to say we couldn't prove what exactly the universe is?
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Slayer!
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Posted: April 04 2006 at 20:10 |
Of course we will never fully "see" the universe.
One quote I really liked was,
When it rains, fish in a lake see the splashes but have no clue what is the cause and have no clue exactly what they're seeing. Same with humans observing the universe.
Or something like that, I'm bad with quotes.
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Mr. Krinkle
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 19:31 |
It can't expand forever, i think it is not possible. I wanna think it
will crunch back, would be a lot funier than if it just stops expanding
and die. will be more exiting
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