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    Posted: November 16 2004 at 11:29

Along with Miles, Johnny Mac, Weather Report, Tony Williams and others, certainly one of the Founding Fathers of Fusion.

Well anyway, I've recently been rediscovering Larry's work, just got a bunch of stuff with his Eleventh House band which just SMOKES!!! I also acquired "Spaces" (a classic release with Johnny Mac, Billy Cobham, Chick Corea and Miroslav Vitous) and Basics.

Now I'm wondering if anyone here can recommend some other Larry Coryell recordings outside of his Eleventh House stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 12:16
Do you know the "free spirits" (1967)?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 12:27

Originally posted by oliverstoned

Do you know the "free spirits" (1967)?

 

I've heard about that group a lot. The earliest Coryell I've heard is a live album he did at Carnegie Hall with Gary Burton circa 1967, about the same time as The Free Spirits.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2004 at 13:26
Slowly but slowly some of the signpost jazz rock albums which predate Bitches Brew are getting onto CD, e.g. Count's Rock Band. (Coincidently, Steve Smith has recently done a tribute album with some of the original line-up of Counts Rock Band, e.g. Steve Micus I think, released on Tone Center Records) - can anybody confirm  Free Spirits has seen the light of day again on CD????  I think it took Larry Coryell a long time to shake off a long period of lost weekends, when many of his albums were not great shakes. However, during that time he discovered Philip Catherine and  also he dropped into Al Dimeola's vacated seat on the flamenco jazz rock Spirits Have Flown DVD with Mclaughlin and DeLuca, recorded 25 years ago. More recently? I caught him at London's Jazz Cafe with a 90's variant of 11th House about 5 years ago, with Alphonse Mouzon, Jeff Berlin and a Japanese trumpeter (standing in for Randy Brecker, but alas who's name alludes me) - and all the band made themselves available to talk to the fans that night. And one of the better jazz rock albums of the 90's was Cause & Effect by Coryell, Steve Smith and Tom Coster (Tone Center Records again), when Coryell was in fine form and very good company, with his guitar  playing the range from Wes Montgomery to Hendrix.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2004 at 13:39
Originally posted by The Owl

Along with Miles, Johnny Mac, Weather Report, Tony Williams and others, certainly one of the Founding Fathers of Fusion.

 

Owl - can I suggest for clarity that you don't  use the word Fusion, when you list specifically jazz rock and jazz funk musicians. The use of the word fusion predates these guys , e.g. Joe Harriott and John Meyers Indo Jazz Fusions (1965), and somebody tells me somebody  like Joe Farrell (?) included the word 'fusion' in the title of one of his albums in 1963.

Further, on one of those 11th House albums (at least the vinyl version) you'll find Larry Coryell telling the world, he taught John McLaughlin everything he knew about jazz rock - I half believe that statement having read Stuart Nicholson account in Jazz Rock A History and how early Coryell was in with the game, while McLaughlin was still playing (very excellent) British jazz , for instance with John Surman and co on  Extrapolation in the late 60's . And Weather Report's album output until Miroslav Vitous left , sounds far more like free or improv jazz to me than jazz rock. And don't forget Soft Machine from the list!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2004 at 15:40
GO FOR  LARRY CORYELL AND ALPHONSE MOUZON BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AVAILABLE FROM WOUNDED BIRD RECORDS. BELGIAN GUITARIST PHILIPH CATHERINE IS ALSO FEATURED ON THIS PHENOMENAL ALBUM!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2004 at 15:48
Originally posted by Dick Heath

Originally posted by The Owl

Along with Miles, Johnny Mac, Weather Report, Tony Williams and others, certainly one of the Founding Fathers of Fusion.

 

Owl - can I suggest for clarity that you don't  use the word Fusion, when you list specifically jazz rock and jazz funk musicians. The use of the word fusion predates these guys , e.g. Joe Harriott and John Meyers Indo Jazz Fusions (1965), and somebody tells me somebody  like Joe Farrell (?) included the word 'fusion' in the title of one of his albums in 1963.

Further, on one of those 11th House albums (at least the vinyl version) you'll find Larry Coryell telling the world, he taught John McLaughlin everything he knew about jazz rock - I half believe that statement having read Stuart Nicholson account in Jazz Rock A History and how early Coryell was in with the game, while McLaughlin was still playing (very excellent) British jazz , for instance with John Surman and co on  Extrapolation in the late 60's . And Weather Report's album output until Miroslav Vitous left , sounds far more like free or improv jazz to me than jazz rock. And don't forget Soft Machine from the list!

No No No Dick. McLaughlin didn't have to be taught anything or anyone except perhaps his musical family, I'm sorry, why do you have to misinform people like this with your own assumptions. I can't even believe we're not even talking about progressive rock whatever that is. BTW Extrapolation is one of my faves!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2004 at 17:26
I saw him live in February when he was in Cleveland. Absolutely phenominal guitarist. He's not playing quite the same stuff he was in the 70s, but his guitar work was astounding. The most memorable thing he played that night was Duke's In a Sentimental Mood, and although I don't particularly enjoy the song, man he made that guitar sing! For being a guy of his age, he made some of the faster songs really rock too. I got a CD of his and he signed it for me, it was a great time... he's a nice guy, too! Sat next to me and my friends and talked to us between songs.

Spaces is an amazing album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 04:36

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby

[QUOTE=Dick Heath][QUOTE=The Owl] No No No Dick. McLaughlin didn't have to be taught anything or anyone except perhaps his musical family, I'm sorry, why do you have to misinform people like this with your own assumptions. !

 

Misinform???????????????? What  are you talking about?  I'm quoting Larry Coryell NOT making assumptions - read my words carefully, I've even told you where to look. (I was shocked to read this on the back of album in the early 70's). Coryell predates McLaughlin into jazz-rock.

Assumptions - you're making them. I chose my words with care and try to get them backed with research.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 05:48
What does it matter. Are we going to have a who invented fusion argument? If anyone invented fusion it was Miles Davis and Mclaughlin learned anything about jazz-rock it was from Miles and not Larry Coryell professor Heath.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 12:17

VIBRATIONBABAY said: GO FOR  LARRY CORYELL AND ALPHONSE MOUZON BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AVAILABLE FROM WOUNDED BIRD RECORDS. BELGIAN GUITARIST PHILIP CATHERINE IS ALSO FEATURED ON THIS PHENOMENAL ALBUM!

I have this one (just acquired it recently), truth is I only liked HALF of it, everything up to and including "Rock & Roll Lovers" strips paint (in the best possible way ) but after that, it goes downhill with "The Phonse" doing all this corny, stoooooopid cutting up and the remaining songs themselves not being that great until the very last cut. But on the upside Coryell and Catherine play INCREDIBLY together, their 2 acoustic discs ("Splendid" and "Twin House") are excellent!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 12:35

My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE Larry Coryell quote:

"Our Father, who art a cross between Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Jimi Hendrix, hallowed be thy name, here in New York, as it is in New Orleans. Give us this day our daily chord changes, and forgive us for playing the wrong changes behind our soloists as we forgive them for playing the wrong changes behind our solos. And lead us not into disco, but deliver us from commercialism. Amen"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 12:53
Originally posted by The Owl

Now I'm wondering if anyone here can recommend some other Larry Coryell recordings outside of his Eleventh House stuff.

Live from Bahia (a studio album despite its name), featuring Billy Cobham, Donald Harrison and brazilian musicians is a very good album, a bit lighter and than its fusion debuts, something like the stuff Pat Metheny began to compose in the eighties. I have to confess I love this album. I can't tell you which year it was released, as there is no date neither on the CD, nor in the liner notes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2004 at 22:17
Originally posted by The Owl

VIBRATIONBABAY said: GO FOR  LARRY CORYELL AND ALPHONSE MOUZON BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AVAILABLE FROM WOUNDED BIRD RECORDS. BELGIAN GUITARIST PHILIP CATHERINE IS ALSO FEATURED ON THIS PHENOMENAL ALBUM!

I have this one (just acquired it recently), truth is I only liked HALF of it, everything up to and including "Rock & Roll Lovers" strips paint (in the best possible way ) but after that, it goes downhill with "The Phonse" doing all this corny, stoooooopid cutting up and the remaining songs themselves not being that great until the very last cut. But on the upside Coryell and Catherine play INCREDIBLY together, their 2 acoustic discs ("Splendid" and "Twin House") are excellent!

Mr. Owl I agree with you on the Twin House and Splendid point and when these albums find their way on to my turntable they stay there for a number of plays. I beg to differ with you regarding your point that Back Together Again goes downhill after Rock n' Roll Lovers. It is, after all a collaboration album and after The Eleventh House was disolved Mouzon went in a separate musical direction and this is reflected throughout this great album. Coryell displays a tremendous amount of respect for his former bandmate and vice versa on these sessions. It is a record I can listen to from start to finish. I think that the Mouzon influenced sections of the LP offer a heavier edge rather than stupid and corny as you suggest. I am glad, however that someone out there appreciates at least part of this unique record.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2004 at 10:46

The real great escape-Larry Coryell.It's good record-only record that I have but I like it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2004 at 10:54
Originally posted by The Owl

My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE Larry Coryell quote:

"Our Father, who art a cross between Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Jimi Hendrix, hallowed be thy name, here in New York, as it is in New Orleans. Give us this day our daily chord changes, and forgive us for playing the wrong changes behind our soloists as we forgive them for playing the wrong changes behind our solos. And lead us not into disco, but deliver us from commercialism. Amen"





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