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    Posted: October 31 2006 at 15:49
Originally posted by Tristan Mulders Tristan Mulders wrote:

There's definitely a relation to prog there though. Just listen to The Willing Well


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There's definitely a relation to prog there though. Just listen to The Willing Well
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I've posted this many times but I think it bears repeating. Adding bands solely on the basis of 'the band did concept albums' is a VERY dodgy line. So have The Osmonds, David Cassidy, Hall and Oates, Frank Sinatra, Stevie Wonder, Elton John, The Kinks etc. Now would you expect any of those on a prog site?

Coheed and Cambria I've said before I don't really think they've done a prog album yet. They are striving for something but not getting there, held back by that irksome 'emo' sound. I have real problems accepting them as a prog act as a result of that overbearing emo influence.
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Nothing wrong with posting in old threads. Better than 2500+ individual topics, right? Wink
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Points: 114 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:48
I'm not sure what the policy on bumping old threads is here so I'm going to find out the hard way. ;)
 
Given that Mastodon has recently been added to the archives, I would suggest that C&C has a claim to at least prog related on the strength of their concept/theme alone. 
 
In trying to be as unbiased as possible (I like both bands), I cannot really seperate them in terms of 'progginess' when I judge each artist's music from a holistic point of view.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I wouldn't say they're prog related, they're definitly a full blown art rock band. I hope that theyll get added here someday.

The Rush camparisons are very annoying and yeah I agree the only similarity is the high pitched voice of Cladio. They draw many  more influences from Floyd, in their sound, and their live show.(Taking the stage to "One Of These Days" and singing to the guitar solos like Gilmour)
 
Haven't they got a song called '2113' - I don't think they have even tried to disguise their admiration for Rush.The singer sounds almost exactly like Geddy at times - others not so much.There is definately a more Thin Lizzy sound to their latest Album with perhaps a little Iron Maiden & probably other similar influences.There is definately the Rush/Police sound still remaining though.I think the singer has started to sound a little like Phil Lynott mixed with Geddy + Gilmour on accoustic bits.Perhaps there's a little Smashing Pumpkins in their sound as well?
 
Retro - Proto - Prog Metal would describe their sound I believe.....Emo Prog.....New Prog ?????
 
Yo - Ho - Oh - Oh is not very lyrically Prog though.Those harmony lines are a bit annoying.
 
Overall - they are O.K. - better than Kaddisfly - their nearest sound to them ,I suppose ,another Emo Prog? group or My Chemical Romance or Thrice even.
 
Yes they do, and for the first three seconds of the track they play the outro, of the intro to 2112. I'm saying their comparison to Rush get annoying in that they don't really bear much remeblence to them musically. I've never denied their influence by them.
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The truth about Coheed and Cambria. LOL

I do, and will always, vote no because to have a band that has such ridiculous album titles on PA would be a travesty. Really. :-)
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I wouldn't say they're prog related, they're definitly a full blown art rock band. I hope that theyll get added here someday.

The Rush camparisons are very annoying and yeah I agree the only similarity is the high pitched voice of Cladio. They draw many  more influences from Floyd, in their sound, and their live show.(Taking the stage to "One Of These Days" and singing to the guitar solos like Gilmour)
 
Haven't they got a song called '2113' - I don't think they have even tried to disguise their admiration for Rush.The singer sounds almost exactly like Geddy at times - others not so much.There is definately a more Thin Lizzy sound to their latest Album with perhaps a little Iron Maiden & probably other similar influences.There is definately the Rush/Police sound still remaining though.I think the singer has started to sound a little like Phil Lynott mixed with Geddy + Gilmour on accoustic bits.Perhaps there's a little Smashing Pumpkins in their sound as well?
 
Retro - Proto - Prog Metal would describe their sound I believe.....Emo Prog.....New Prog ?????
 
Yo - Ho - Oh - Oh is not very lyrically Prog though.Those harmony lines are a bit annoying.
 
Overall - they are O.K. - better than Kaddisfly - their nearest sound to them ,I suppose ,another Emo Prog? group or My Chemical Romance or Thrice even.
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 17:11
They're progressive in their own right, but not really "prog". I think they belong in the Prog Related category. Art Rock is a bit of a stretch, but that might change with future albums. 
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Points: 80 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 14:34
They don't seem that special to me. I hope the vocalist sounds like that naturally, because if he's putting it on it's very, very sad.
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Points: 62 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 11:44
I don't see why good progressive bands, who get better and more complex as their albums go on (look at SSTB then GA and try to tell me they never completely evolved) don't deserve to be here, while clones of good prog bands (Pagan's Mind and their bland predictable generic songs and their dumb rip-off of Learning to Live by a REAL prog band) do.
 
I'm sure that anything that stops them from being on this site is going to be a non-issue by their next album. They just keep evolving. From primarily emo with silly guitar tone, to primarily prog with good guitar tone (and a drummer who got #5 on the Modern Drummer polls for "Prog Drummers"). Their next album will be sure to clear up any gray areas for you guys with your minds closed on an evolving genre. ;)
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Points: 520 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 00:36
Having only heard Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star, I'd say they're prog. If they do ever show up here, I'd put them in Art Rock.

Although a lot of people compare Claudio's voice to Geddy Lee, I also think he often sounds a lot like Peter Gabriel (for a good example, listen to Always & Never, especially the higher pitched sections).
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Points: 1225 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 19:09
If C&C apply, there's no way to keep Biffy Clyro out, since they're far more Prog than most Prog Metal bands.
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 18:11
Co&Ca are far more prog than most of the bands listed on the archives... They deserve a place here.
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Points: 1225 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 16:59
Naw, the main difference is the fact that C&C's basic compositions are pretty common and basic Rock/Metal, whereas TMV's bear hardly a hint of that.
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Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Originally posted by coffeeintheface coffeeintheface wrote:

if The Mars Volta are prog then Coheed & Cambria is. The Mars Volta has just has much of an "emo" sound as C&C.
 
No they don't. Though I don't think Coheed bears much of an "emo" sound, I can see where someone would feel led to give them that label, but The Mars Volta by no stretch could be considered "emo."


That's my point. NEITHER of them carry much of it, but if one were to make an argument that they did, then it's equal for both of them.
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Originally posted by coffeeintheface coffeeintheface wrote:

if The Mars Volta are prog then Coheed & Cambria is. The Mars Volta has just has much of an "emo" sound as C&C.
 
No they don't. Though I don't think Coheed bears much of an "emo" sound, I can see where someone would feel led to give them that label, but The Mars Volta by no stretch could be considered "emo."
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if The Mars Volta are prog then Coheed & Cambria is. The Mars Volta has just has much of an "emo" sound as C&C.
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Points: 1930 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 01:00
 
this thread might be interesting. I think there are others as well.


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We would need to add a new section Progressive-Commercial-Crap-Rock
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