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    Posted: May 20 2006 at 08:37
Originally posted by akin

Originally posted by earlyprog

Drachen, I would still argue that it remains proto-prog as long as the symphonic prog concept is not fully implemented. If The Nice had that in mind when they did the "Ars..." album, the remaining 25% would also be symphonic prog.
 
If King Crimson hadn't applied the symphonic prog concept to an entire album, you could speculate that The Nice sooner or later probably would have made a fully symphonc prog album, but that's not how history went.
 
I won't accept "Ars..." as the first symphonic prog album - that title goes to "In the Court..."


Neither 21th Century Schizoid Man nor Moonchild are symphonic, so it makes In the Court of Crimson King 50% symphonic prog (20min symphonic and 19 non-symphonic).

Your arguments lead us to conclude that the first symphonic prog album was Deep Purple - Concerto for Group and Orchestra, that is 100% symphonic prog (no psychedelic, jazz, avantgarde, etc, blues, beat, folk).


bravo!!! Clap  I was shot down on suggesting Deep Purple for Symph as well hahahahahha. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:20
Originally posted by akin

Originally posted by earlyprog

Drachen, I would still argue that it remains proto-prog as long as the symphonic prog concept is not fully implemented. If The Nice had that in mind when they did the "Ars..." album, the remaining 25% would also be symphonic prog.
 
If King Crimson hadn't applied the symphonic prog concept to an entire album, you could speculate that The Nice sooner or later probably would have made a fully symphonc prog album, but that's not how history went.
 
I won't accept "Ars..." as the first symphonic prog album - that title goes to "In the Court..."


Neither 21th Century Schizoid Man nor Moonchild are symphonic, so it makes In the Court of Crimson King 50% symphonic prog (20min symphonic and 19 non-symphonic).

Your arguments lead us to conclude that the first symphonic prog album was Deep Purple - Concerto for Group and Orchestra, that is 100% symphonic prog (no psychedelic, jazz, avantgarde, etc, blues, beat, folk).
 
I Talk To The Wind isn't symphonic prog either.That leaves only 2 tracks! Conclusiion: Ars Longa Vita Brevis is more symphonic prog than In The Court.However ITCOTCK is still much better.(but thats not what we are talking about)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:30
I don't there's a better example of a proto-prog band. They are symphonic, but proto-prog first and foremost.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2006 at 16:54
Again we spend too much time & energy about labeling and categorization and neglect the much more important thing (I mean - the music).
With all my love to King crimson I never thought they were the first (I do agree that prog was different after ITCOTCK but not cause it's their best work (it's not, IMO) and not cause it's the first symphonic album).
I do'nt know if Micky said it befor me or after but I also claimed months ago that the nice is not proto prog but fully prog band (and personally I'm glad it was changed - good work Snow dog !).
However I find the argue about "Ars longa vita brevis" or ITCOTCK as the first symphonic prog album redicilious cause for me "Days of future passed" of the moody blues is that album and I think that just like the nice, the moodies are fully prog (yeh, an early one) . Again, It is not their best work IMO but this (I believe) is the album we can concider as the start of it all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2006 at 17:23
Goodness gracious

We never slapped such loaded terms as symphonic prog on the music in 1969........it was progressive music and it was emerging from underground music.  BTW I don't think prog expert and Krimson biographer,  Sid Smith ever used that term to describe and contain Krimson in the text of The Court of King Crimson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2006 at 17:41
Originally posted by omri

Again we spend too much time & energy about labeling and categorization and neglect the much more important thing (I mean - the music).
With all my love to King crimson I never thought they were the first (I do agree that prog was different after ITCOTCK but not cause it's their best work (it's not, IMO) and not cause it's the first symphonic album).
I do'nt know if Micky said it befor me or after but I also claimed months ago that the nice is not proto prog but fully prog band (and personally I'm glad it was changed - good work Snow dog !).
However I find the argue about "Ars longa vita brevis" or ITCOTCK as the first symphonic prog album redicilious cause for me "Days of future passed" of the moody blues is that album and I think that just like the nice, the moodies are fully prog (yeh, an early one) . Again, It is not their best work IMO but this (I believe) is the album we can concider as the start of it all.


take credit for it hahahha.. I've always thought they were a prog band... I'm not sure about this proto-prog stuff (talk about over-categorizing).. in Micky's black and white world.. you're prog...or you're not.
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