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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 13:15
Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Or maybe is because you are just wrong on this one?Geek
 
Hair metal.
 
NOT power
 
this is hair metal:
 
 
notice there is much less power & inertia involved: no more thundering, the rhythmic guitar is also less spectacular and powerful.
 
hair metal refers to bands who have a style beyond hard rock, although still being very near it at the same time; on the other hand, the  impellitterri's sound is too powerful and extreme to avoid the term "power" in their classification label; as I mentioned before, it contains some hard rock elements, but the guitarist's solo style is clearly in the same class as yngwie malmsteen; that's why they are beyond hair metal, although their rhythmic section is rather simple.
 
for those who think impellitteri is not a guitar hero, then check this out:
 


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Points: 20521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 13:38
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

the  impellitterri's sound is too powerful and extreme to avoid the term "power" in their classification label


Really? Have a look:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:2mvyxdfbjold~T00

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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 13:50
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Or maybe is because you are just wrong on this one?Geek
 
Hair metal.
 
NOT power
 
this is hair metal:
 
 
notice there is much less power & inertia involved: no more thundering, the rhythmic guitar is also less spectacular and powerful.
 
hair metal refers to bands who have a style beyond hard rock, although still being very near it at the same time; on the other hand, the  impellitterri's sound is too powerful and extreme to avoid the term "power" in their classification label; as I mentioned before, it contains some hard rock elements, but the guitarist's solo style is clearly in the same class as yngwie malmsteen; that's why they are beyond hair metal, although their rhythmic section is rather simple.
 
for those who think impellitteri is not a guitar hero, then check this out:
 
its not about fast shredding and the image, though it does look quite "hairy"Tongue
 
power metal = high pitched vocals, fast pace, double bass drums, upbeat tempo, soaring melodies, fantasy/s-f lyrics.
 
Impellitteri just don't keep up with that...Ouch
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^ You're describing European Power Metal. There's also American Power Metal!
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 14:10
American power metal is quite an enigmatic subgenre. Some think its already extinct.
 
It had just more stuff in common with thrash, oui?
 
If, as some think, Nevermore or Iced earth are quite similar to/just are  american power metal, then I don't see that impellitteri come close to those bands...
 
Anyway Mike, what you opinion on this?
 
That band is not power metal by any means!!!
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Points: 20521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 14:12
^ I agree ... Impellitteri is not really Power Metal. But I must admit that I only heard a few songs, so I might be wrong.
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 14:14
Well, I judging only by that one example... Big smile
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Here are some samples, if you're interested...
 
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This is Power Metal!!.................Thumbs Up
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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 22:16
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

This is Power Metal!!.................Thumbs Up

 
oh....yeah!
 
that's what i try to explain them: just listen to Hill's thundering bass that support VERY well KK Downing and Tipton's extreme rhythmic guitar: they play in unison, so that the power released is unbelievably amplified!
 
you know what is power? P=RI2; P=V2/R; P= dW(t)/dt; P = T*w; P(dB) = 20*log(Vo/Vi)


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I absolutely agree that Judas Priest can be called Power Metal ... but not their early albums. But the mid-80s albums are quite heavy, and I'd even call Painkiller a key album of European Power Metal!Cool
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Painkiller is straightforward speed metal. ;-)

Anyway, I can't believe you guys are trying to carry out this discussion with such distinctly second tier examples. What about Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys, Parts 1 and 2? Blind Guardian, maybe? I'd also suggest Virgin Steele as a less thrash-inspired contingent of the American school.

Oh, and for unbelievably stereotypical Euro-PM (try counting the cliches! Seriously, though, this band is going to be HUGE. All my non-metal-fan friends are listening to them):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8eeRg7fBUQ

Greenback, your problem is insisting that power metal is actually about power. It really isn't. Thundering bass? I'm trying to recall a classic PM album with even remotely distinctive bass-playing.
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Points: 20521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 11:22
Duncan: Let's not make this a Power vs. Speed discussion - it's a little bit too "geeky".

BTW: Judas Priest is considered to be neither Power nor Speed Metal at allmusic.com. This shows two things:

- The criteria of Power Metal are highly arguable - there is really no consensus.
- You can't assign genres to bands ... you have to assign them to albums.
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Points: 84 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 11:29
No.

That is not power metal, neither is Judas Priest. 

http://www.metal-archives.com/

This is the website that will get it most right much of the time.
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Points: 20521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 11:31
^ they don't say anything about the genre of Painkiller, do they?
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Points: 20521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 11:42
Another interesting aspect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_metal_bands

Interestingly, this list contains both Impellitteri and Judas Priest. Does that prove that they're both Power Metal? No, it just shows that Power Metal isn't a clearly defined genre.


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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 13:42
Originally posted by Duncan Duncan wrote:

Painkiller is straightforward speed metal. ;-)


Greenback, your problem is insisting that power metal is actually about power. It really isn't. Thundering bass? I'm trying to recall a classic PM album with even remotely distinctive bass-playing.
 
i do not have any problem.
 
the main criteria of power metal subgenre should take in consideration the intensity of the sound, especially the sound of the rhythmic parts. I know that bands like blind guardian do not have an extremely powerful sound; so, the power metal term is inappropriate; some bands in this subgenre sound like "opera metal" like blind guardian , "art-gothic metal" like gamma ray.
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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 13:44
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Duncan: Let's not make this a Power vs. Speed discussion - it's a little bit too "geeky".

BTW: Judas Priest is considered to be neither Power nor Speed Metal at allmusic.com. This shows two things:

- The criteria of Power Metal are highly arguable - there is really no consensus.
- You can't assign genres to bands ... you have to assign them to albums.
 
more than this: even to the songs themselves!
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gumby metal?
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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2006 at 14:25
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

gumby metal?
 
we know that you are stuck to the years before 1980, so metal does not belong to your vocabulary. But, at least, you should have chosen a qualificative not belonging to the period before 1980!
 
gumby:
 
 
ah, souvenirs!
 
i guess your favorite album is jethro tull "living in the past"


Edited by greenback - June 03 2006 at 14:28
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