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The Lost Chord 
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Posted: June 05 2006 at 20:39 |
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Does anyone know what synthesizer(s) were used on this album?
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Posted: June 05 2006 at 20:53 |
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Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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Posted: June 05 2006 at 21:19 |
 Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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If you check below the musician credits, it's written that their mixer man, Angelo Vaggi play all the Moog parts.There's definetily synthesizer on that album and it surely doesn't sound like a Moog Modular so it must be a Minimoog. 
Edited by pierreolivier - June 05 2006 at 21:29
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 00:37 |
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you know in Part 2 of Zarathustra, when that distinct synth comes in over the melody...thats fierce "bong bang boing!" its extremely distinct if you know what im talking about, im wondering what synth that was on, kind of like a crackly, dark, bubbly kind of synth noise
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 00:40 |
you know in Part 2 of Zarathustra, when that distinct synth comes in over the melody...thats fierce "bong bang boing!" its extremely distinct if you know what im talking about, im wondering what synth that was on, kind of like a crackly, dark, bubbly kind of synth noise
it comes in at exactly 2:00 minutes into part two, which would be about 5:51 from the start of the song.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 02:00 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
you know in Part 2 of Zarathustra, when that distinct synth comes in over the melody...thats fierce "bong bang boing!" its extremely distinct if you know what im talking about, im wondering what synth that was on, kind of like a crackly, dark, bubbly kind of synth noise
it comes in at exactly 2:00 minutes into part two, which would be about 5:51 from the start of the song. |
Just heard it and it's definitely a Minimoog.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 03:27 |
From their website: a Minimoog?
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 06:58 |
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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If you check below the musician credits, it's written that their mixer man, Angelo Vaggi play all the Moog parts.There's definetily synthesizer on that album and it surely doesn't sound like a Moog Modular so it must be a Minimoog. |
Oh, yes, I didn't see the mention of the moog. 
But on my copy it doesn't say that one of the guys who mixed the album, Angelo Vaggi played the moog. It says:
"Supervisione generale (in tutto e per tutto, anche al moog): ANGELO VAGGI"
= General supervision (in everything and for everthing, also to the moog): ANGELO VAGGI
so maybe Pit Corradi played it, not Angelo Vaggi? Maybe Vaggi set up the presets?
Edited by Fitzcarraldo - June 06 2006 at 07:00
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pierreolivier
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:32 |
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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If you check below the musician credits, it's written that their mixer man, Angelo Vaggi play all the Moog parts.There's definetily synthesizer on that album and it surely doesn't sound like a Moog Modular so it must be a Minimoog. |
Oh, yes, I didn't see the mention of the moog.
But on my copy it doesn't say that one of the guys who mixed the album, Angelo Vaggi played the moog. It says:
"Supervisione generale (in tutto e per tutto, anche al moog): ANGELO VAGGI"
= General supervision (in everything and for everthing, also to the moog): ANGELO VAGGI
so maybe Pit Corradi played it, not Angelo Vaggi? Maybe Vaggi set up the presets?
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Sorry,I taught that "anche al moog" means that he played it in italian. So, it's probably Pit Corradi that played the Minimoog.But what bugs me is that the Moog is not written on Corradi regular credits you mentionned before,Fitzcarraldo.
So maybe it's really Angelo Vaggi that play it,who knows?
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:08 |
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can i get that minimoog sound with the minimoog V software?
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:22 |
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i am using the minimoog V and trying to replicate that exact part, 2:00 minutes into part 2 of zarathustra...PLEASE dont telkl me it is just the default settings of the minimoog V, would anyone know? it sounds close but it is not quite exact, i am fooling with the knobs but im not getting anyweher...anyone know what to do?
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:25 |
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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If you check below the musician credits, it's written that their mixer man, Angelo Vaggi play all the Moog parts.There's definetily synthesizer on that album and it surely doesn't sound like a Moog Modular so it must be a Minimoog. |
Oh, yes, I didn't see the mention of the moog.
But on my copy it doesn't say that one of the guys who mixed the album, Angelo Vaggi played the moog. It says:
"Supervisione generale (in tutto e per tutto, anche al moog): ANGELO VAGGI"
= General supervision (in everything and for everthing, also to the moog): ANGELO VAGGI
so maybe Pit Corradi played it, not Angelo Vaggi? Maybe Vaggi set up the presets?
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Sorry,I taught that "anche al moog" means that he played it in italian. So, it's probably Pit Corradi that played the Minimoog.But what bugs me is that the Moog is not written on Corradi regular credits you mentionned before,Fitzcarraldo.
So maybe it's really Angelo Vaggi that play it,who knows? |
As my curiosity was piqued, I decided to contact the band and got a reply from Aberto Moreno. He told me the following:
Minimoog ( Monzino) was played by Pit Corradi; Angelo Vaggi had the control of the sound during the recording of this instrument......
Thanks for your kind words about our ancient work....;-)
Ciao
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Alberto
Grazie, Alberto. 
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:40 |
SImple question (i hope): What was the main theme for Zarathustra played on? You know, the recurring theme that starts the album.
The absolute first notes of the song...is that a mini moog also?
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pierreolivier
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:54 |
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Alberto Moreno played the piano (and bass), Pit Corradi played: Mellotron, Hammond organ, Farfisa electric piano (and vibraphone).
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If you check below the musician credits, it's written that their mixer man, Angelo Vaggi play all the Moog parts.There's definetily synthesizer on that album and it surely doesn't sound like a Moog Modular so it must be a Minimoog. |
Oh, yes, I didn't see the mention of the moog.
But on my copy it doesn't say that one of the guys who mixed the album, Angelo Vaggi played the moog. It says:
"Supervisione generale (in tutto e per tutto, anche al moog): ANGELO VAGGI"
= General supervision (in everything and for everthing, also to the moog): ANGELO VAGGI
so maybe Pit Corradi played it, not Angelo Vaggi? Maybe Vaggi set up the presets?
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Sorry,I taught that "anche al moog" means that he played it in italian. So, it's probably Pit Corradi that played the Minimoog.But what bugs me is that the Moog is not written on Corradi regular credits you mentionned before,Fitzcarraldo.
So maybe it's really Angelo Vaggi that play it,who knows? |
As my curiosity was piqued, I decided to contact the band and got a reply from Aberto Moreno. He told me the following:
Minimoog ( Monzino) was played by Pit Corradi; Angelo Vaggi had the control of the sound during the recording of this instrument......
Thanks for your kind words about our ancient work....;-)
Ciao
from
Alberto
Grazie, Alberto. |
Thanks for the clarifications,Fitzcarraldo.  Sometimes the better explanations came from the source.Alberto Moreno is very cool to provide you an answer in such a short notice.It's a very good move.
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pierreolivier
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:56 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
SImple question (i hope): What was the main theme for Zarathustra played on? You know, the recurring theme that starts the album.
The absolute first notes of the song...is that a mini moog also? |
If you talk about the main theme that played at the beginning and at the end of the suite Zarathustra, that theme is played on a Mellotron M400 with the 3 violins sound. 
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 11:28 |
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does the M-Tron have that on it? I bought the M-tron software....by m-audio, does it have that?
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:28 |
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does the M-Tron have that on it? I bought the M-tron software....by m-audio, does it have that? |
Of course, M-tron software have it.3 violins is the mellotron most popular sounds.
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 22:06 |
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whats etting is that on the m-tron, 3 violins....i dont see one called "3 violins" but im sure its here under a diff name??
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 23:30 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
whats etting is that on the m-tron, 3 violins....i dont see one called "3 violins" but im sure its here under a diff name?? |
Maybe on the M-Tron it's filled under "strings" name.You certainly have it since it's the Mellotron classic sound, used by Genesis,King Crimson,Moody Blues and so on.The correct name of the sound is "3 violins" and this sound is not the same as "Strings" sounds wich also exist in different configuration on original mellotrons.If you want to spot your sound on the M-Tron,it's 3 violins in unison with no cello or alto.If you heard a bass note with other violins, then it's the "String ensemble" sound and it's not the classic sound you are searching.
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 12:19 |
they have "genesissplit" which sounds very close....ah im confused ill work on it, THANKS..
also big question, can you assign the ptch bender to the M-tron? Did it have one back then? because It doesnt work i want to know if it needs to be assigned?
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