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Rocktopus
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Topic: Prog related-related Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:16 |
All these Rock/Pop/Beat/Psych/Folk 60-70s bands and albums has something to offer a prog fan.
None here are included in the archives, although I've seen most of them
up for discussion. With some bands it was hard jus picking one title.
You'll decide if your choice is based on it being a favorite if or you
think its the most important etc... But please tell why:
(and if other, tell us what you would choose)
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:46 |
Lots of great albums there, real rock classics (I'm not so sure about The Bee Gees though... ). I voted for BOC's "Secret Treaties" (though I prefer "Tyranny and Mutation"), as I am a longtime fan of the band. However, I would also pick out "Surrealistic Pillow (JA will be soon included in PA, I think), "The Doors" (same as above), "Who's Next" (of course!) and "Below the Salt".
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:50 |
Spirit's Sardonicus is an absolute masterpiece, especially given its year of release (1970)...
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:58 |
except for Hollies and Kinks, they all have a good case for inclusion but frm the Airplane, I would pick Crown Of Creation and from Buckley >> Happy Sad
Solid Air, but Astral Weeks is outstanding also and Dr Sardonicus simply the best
Edited by Sean Trane - June 07 2006 at 10:01
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 16:05 |
Nick Drake, because it's the only thing on the list (of those I have
heard) that has songwriting that moves away from Rock conventions.
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 17:56 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Lots of great albums there, real rock classics (I'm not so sure about The Bee Gees though...).
| Have you not heard that Bee Gees album? I voted for it Five Leaves Left comes in a close second
Edited by Hector Gilbert - June 07 2006 at 17:57
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 19:10 |
Teaflax wrote:
Nick Drake, because it's the only thing on the list (of those I have
heard) that has songwriting that moves away from Rock conventions.
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Then you must hear Silver Apples, United States of America and The Incredible String Band.
We're the only two persons here loving Bee Gees: Odessa it seems Hector.
My
choice of Tim Buckley album was probably not the most optimal. But his two first
albums are the ones I love the most, although they are not his most
prog related. My mistake.
What album would you people like to have seen included by Joni
Mitchell? Don Juan's Reckless Daugthter is maybe the proggiest? But not
from my favorite.
The Who, Nick Drake, BöC and a couple of others has atleast one album more that could be here, I know.
Edited by Rocktopus - June 07 2006 at 19:15
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 19:17 |
The Kinks, but not because i think they are prog-related. It's just one of the best albums ever. Steeley span and Jefferson airplane are second and third.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 19:33 |
Dirk wrote:
The Kinks, but not because i think they are prog-related. It's just one of the best albums ever. |
But wouldn't you agree that its prog related-related? This one, and
their three next albums are all playful, well crafted, orchestrated
pop/rock concept albums.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 22:40 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Then you must hear Silver Apples, United States of
America and The Incredible String Band. |
What I have heard said
of the first, it's supposed to be primarily atonal electronics, the
second I have heard - albeit over two decades ago - and while it was
quite experimental sonically, I don't remember being impressed with the
compositions. And what I have heard from The ISB - which may or may not
have included material from the album listed - has been quite folky,
which is generally more traditional than even Blues/Rock (woth
exceptions, NB).
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:30 |
Teaflax wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Then you must hear Silver Apples, United States of
America and The Incredible String Band. | What I have heard said
of the first, it's supposed to be primarily atonal electronics, the
second I have heard - albeit over two decades ago - and while it was
quite experimental sonically, I don't remember being impressed with the
compositions. And what I have heard from The ISB - which may or may not
have included material from the album listed - has been quite folky,
which is generally more traditional than even Blues/Rock (woth
exceptions, NB).
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They all score higher on the originality and will to experiment, than
complexity and virtuosity. Although The ISB are quite incredible.
I would guess you've heard either very early or late ISB. This '68
album is their peak and a unique psychedelic-progfolk masterpiece imo.
They break apart the traditional song structures more often than not.
Big infuence on Comus, Devendra Banhart, Noahs Ark and eh... world
music.
Silver Apples sounds almost like modern tribal dance music (
sounds horrible, I know. But so would explaining Idioteque, I guess)
with surrealist songs and poetry on top and discordant tones.
USA sounds a bit like early Can or Faust in 67-68. Broadcast are big
fans (and probably Stereolab), and you can easily hear it. I know you
like a lot of quality modern electronic music. So maybe you'll enjoy
the two last ones. All three have a very whimsical, playful and
unstructured sound that's not to everyones likeing.
My main point is that I think they all move away from rock conventions in both sound and songwriting.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:36 |
I'll check out that ISB album, sounds like it could be interesting.
I'm not too much into noise experiments except on a purely theoretical
level. I remember back in the 80's, I would buy Einstürzende Neubatuen
albums an then never listen to them, so...that's one limitation I have,
where my mind and my heart don't go in the same direction.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:39 |
I can't claim to have heard all those albums, but Five Leaves Left is definitely my favorite.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:39 |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 03:59 |
MANDRAKEROOT wrote:
SHADOWS: APACHE!!! |
Ok. I don't know. haven't heard it myself. Did you find any other band or record worthy of your vote in The Shadows absence?
And Teaflax, I forgot to write that both Silver Apples and USA are
quite catchy at times. infact I've heard them both played by openminded
DJ's several times. Not at all as difficult as 80's Einstürtzende
Neubauten.
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:28 |
Teaflax wrote:
I'll check out that ISB album, sounds like it could be interesting. I'm not too much into noise experiments except on a purely theoretical level. I remember back in the 80's, I would buy Einstürzende Neubatuen albums an then never listen to them, so...that's one limitation I have, where my mind and my heart don't go in the same direction.
| Have you heard Silence Is Sexy? It's a year 2000 release of theirs, with just as much variation/experimentation as their classic early work but not nearly as abrasive and with a more melodic sensibility (afforded to them by a line-up that had changed since the 80s). Worth a listen regardless of what one thinks of the likes of Halber Mensch or Zeichnungen Des Patienten O.T. As far as The Incredible String Band go, The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is an absolute must-hear in "psych-folk" music. I'm not sure why they haven't been more hyped as of late given the cult success of people like Devendra Banhart. The 5000 Spirits Or The Layers Of The Onion is not to be sniffed at either.
Edited by Hector Gilbert - June 09 2006 at 15:31
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 23:22 |
EN's 'Tabula Rasa' album is my favorite, and until the (great) last 15
minutes its also quite melodic. Never listen to them myself anymore, I
have to admit.
As for IST, I agree. 5000 spirits... is almost as great as Hangman. I
like the 'Be Glad for this Song has no Ending' album as well. Most
other albums by them are also quite good, but uneven.
I read somewhere that Hangman's Beautiful Daughter sold 800 000 copies
and peaked at no. 5 in the UK. The world was a very different place in
'68.
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 00:13 |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 08:14 |
I've not heard all of these albums. Never really got on with Forever Changes, I think it was the song about snot that put me off.
Who's Next would probably be my favourite album here, with Pet Sounds a close second. I'd better mention Ogdens Nut Gone Flake as well, an extremely weird and druggy album. Notable for the wonderful couplet "Here we all are sitting in a rainbow, cor blimey hello Mrs Jones, how's your Bert's lumbago?"
If I'm going for the most important album then it's the revolutionary Pet Sounds, which spurred The Beatles on to produce Sgt Pepper and so opened up the world of prog.
Edited by chopper - June 12 2006 at 08:20
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Posted: June 12 2006 at 08:20 |
Although not 1960s I'd say Talking Heads and the Police fit in the Prog related related category. Both have interesting lyrics, TH had a really innovative bizarre sound, while the Police had a tight unit of three fantastic musicians with their own unique sound. But of course these guys fit in prog related related not prog related.
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