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    Posted: June 17 2006 at 14:12
What is your favorite album by Kraan, the German answer to Steely Dan and Alan Parsons Project?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 14:16
Studio - their debut, although it's a close call between the first three.
 
The ultimate Kraan album has to be the 1975 live double - the first line up was amazing, and I'm only sorry I never caught them live myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 14:58

 A very promising band at their beginning. I remember having made something about them for the archives many months ago.

 

My favourite is off course their first and the live album from 1975: explosive kraut/jazz with fine "weird" ethnic experimentations in sound and effective improvisations (a great mention to the sax parts). After "Let it out" the band's creativity just goes down. A legitimate recommendation for fans of Out of Focus, Embryo and Dzyan.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 15:01
Can you tell me what is the relationship with the Alan Parsons project? Personally I consider that they have nothing in common in every terms.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 15:33
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Studio - their debut, although it's a close call between the first three.
 
The ultimate Kraan album has to be the 1975 live double - the first line up was amazing, and I'm only sorry I never caught them live myself.
 
 
Agreed Chris, except for that very deceiving second album
 
But Steely Dan and APPConfused???????


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 15:52
oh well, the more commercial (after Andy Nogger) Kraan reminds me being maybe unique and poppish as Steely Dan was to the US and Alan Parsons Project was to the UK. No one else sounds like them and they were all quite popular for a time period. They all sort of broke away from the pack and at least for a couple of albums created classic music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 15:57
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

What is your favorite album by Kraan, the German answer to Steely Dan and Alan Parsons Project?

Huh? You can't be serious! They have nothing whatever to do with either of them!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2006 at 17:52
The only album I have heard by them is Kraan Live (1975). Fantastic album though, it would have made for one amazing concert. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 11:51
Absolutely the  Live album. Personally I can't think of any direct parallels. A band that starts out electric sax, bass player taking the lead, lead guitarist who tended to play rhythm..............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:51

when I think of schools of Progressive Rock I think of California, London and Berlin. Steely Dan, Alan Parsons Project and Kraan represent a second wave of more popular styled progressive or intelligent music from the late 70's. All 3 mixed either progressive lyrics or musical content and often innovation and a sound that was unmistakenly identifiable to each band after the mainstream of  psychedelic music in California, progressive music in London and krautrock in Berlin had peaked and was being pushed out by the recording industries. In my mind these 3 bands are almost unclassifiable because of their mix  of popular music in their culture with what could be considered progressive stylings. All 3 created a string of either good or great music into the later 70's.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 04:33
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

when I think of schools of Progressive Rock I think of California, London and Berlin. Steely Dan, Alan Parsons Project and Kraan represent a second wave of more popular styled progressive or intelligent music from the late 70's. All 3 mixed either progressive lyrics or musical content and often innovation and a sound that was unmistakenly identifiable to each band after the mainstream of  psychedelic music in California, progressive music in London and krautrock in Berlin had peaked and was being pushed out by the recording industries. In my mind these 3 bands are almost unclassifiable because of their mix  of popular music in their culture with what could be considered progressive stylings. All 3 created a string of either good or great music into the later 70's.

 
Bryan,
 
your point is a bit valid, except for one thing
 
Kraan like many German groups (from AD II to Can, and harder edged groups like Wallenstein, Gila , Guru Guru, etc...) enjoyed a very raw , rough-edged sound (as opposed to the neat and impeccable US and UK production values).
 
Steely Dan and APP are the exact opposite, being very slick (maybe too much for my taste) , easy on the ears. This is why your original statement astounded meWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:35
I have Andy Nogger, and it is quite good, but lacks something that all the other Krautrock bands had, don't know what, but it's enough to hold me off from getting one of their other albums
 
It is definitely far more accessible than most krautrock
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:43
'Kraan Live'
I remember a great 'Kraan'  concert at the Academy Of Arts in Düsseldorf together with Jango Edwards. 'Andy Nogger' second choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:38
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

when I think of schools of Progressive Rock I think of California, London and Berlin. Steely Dan, Alan Parsons Project and Kraan represent a second wave of more popular styled progressive or intelligent music from the late 70's. All 3 mixed either progressive lyrics or musical content and often innovation and a sound that was unmistakenly identifiable to each band after the mainstream of  psychedelic music in California, progressive music in London and krautrock in Berlin had peaked and was being pushed out by the recording industries. In my mind these 3 bands are almost unclassifiable because of their mix  of popular music in their culture with what could be considered progressive stylings. All 3 created a string of either good or great music into the later 70's.

 
Bryan,
 
your point is a bit valid, except for one thing
 
Kraan like many German groups (from AD II to Can, and harder edged groups like Wallenstein, Gila , Guru Guru, etc...) enjoyed a very raw , rough-edged sound (as opposed to the neat and impeccable US and UK production values).
 
Steely Dan and APP are the exact opposite, being very slick (maybe too much for my taste) , easy on the ears. This is why your original statement astounded meWink
 
Listen to their later 70's output for that slick sound, Let it Out, Weiderhoren and FlydayBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:40
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I must say I never got farther than that famous double live album, so I cannot get a hold of those albums unless buying them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 11:54

IMO Let it Out is better than Andy Nogger and should be in every proggers collection. It is the last album with Johannes Pappert and brings on Kathargo's keyboardist. It was made after Kraan started touring quite alot in England and I think they did a few dates in the States also. Kraan had obvious been influenced partially by Donald Fagan.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2006 at 06:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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I must say I never got farther than that famous double live album, so I cannot get a hold of those albums unless buying them
 
Hugues do you know the '2001' shops in Germany? The last time I went there they had nearly all re-editions of Kraan on sale.
 


Edited by Alucard - June 22 2006 at 06:27
Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2006 at 07:45
^^^^^
checked your link up, Martin
 
My German is very rusty
 
is this a store chain? If so, I could not find a shop in either AAchen or Köln (Cologne), the closest from Belgium
 
they do not appear to have Kraan, or Ougenweide for that matter a fact
 
 
 
 
 
We go on a record shopping spree in Köln once or twice a year (generally a car full of four or five progheads full of cash) and go to the big Saturn store (not the one downtown, but the one out on the boulevard), and usually come back with 10 Cds each.
 
Interesting price on non-domestic rock, but the German Cds are anything but cheap.
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2006 at 10:35
Hugues,
They have a store chain,(in the beginning it was an alternative book shop in the 70's named after the Kubrick movie) the nearest from you must be Düsseldorf but there is one in Cologne too. their offer is not very big, and they change their programm every two months,   but   they sell  often very interesting packages from one label the last time I went there they  had an offer on 'Eclectic' records, ('Egg', Touch, Khan) quite cheap, they have a lot of Musical DVD's too. Check it out the next time you go to Cologne it' not very far from 'Saturn', you have a map when you click on the city link.
 

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Edited by Alucard - June 23 2006 at 10:38
Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2006 at 11:09
^^^^^^^^^^
 
How come when I checked it out yesterday, I could not find it.
 
 
But well noted, next time we head to Koln, we have one more shop to check out (after two used record shop) and an alternative museum always exposing stuff from the 60's and 70's.
 
 
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