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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:43
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:


Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Jack White is a rock'n'roll hero. 
I'm with you there.

I loathe Rock n' Roll heroes.

    

I'd quite like to know which ones you loathe
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:46
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Jack White is a rock'n'roll hero. 
I'm with you there.

I loathe Rock n' Roll heroes.
That's a shame. Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

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Music doesn't have to be clever or cleverly written to
be great - and there's nothing inherently lazy about this approach.
I don't know, stupidity - especially when enforced as an
artistic ideal - seems to me to be pointless. If anyone can do it, why
bother with it?

    
That's a different question.
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

That's a shame. Ouch
I don't think so. Very early on in my life, I sided with the cerebral against the thoughtless, and few Rock'n'Roll heroes qualify for the former, whereas all too many are firmly in the latter camp.

Intelligence is a valuable commodity, and I really don't see why one should praise those who seem hell-bent on not exercising theirs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:06
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

That's a shame. Ouch
I don't think so. Very early on in my life, I sided with the cerebral against the thoughtless, and few Rock'n'Roll heroes qualify for the former, whereas all too many are firmly in the latter camp.

Intelligence is a valuable commodity, and I really don't see why one should praise those who seem hell-bent on not exercising theirs.
So your saying that rock music is unintelligent? I guess you think that the only good music is prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:09
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

So your saying that rock music is unintelligent? I guess you think that the only good music is prog.
Not at all. Just like any other genre, 80-90% of all Prog is crap, and intelligent doesn't have to necessarily mean complex, but it does generally mean thought through and worked on.

There are absolutely clever ways of being simple and stripped-down (and innovation and breaking new ground counts for a lot), I just don't think that what Jack White does qualifies in any way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:10
May I ask, have you ever listened an entire White Stripes album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:15
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

May I ask, have you ever listened an entire White Stripes album?
Nope, the wilfully dumb singles have been enough to scare me off, for fear of getting even more catchy, incessantly repeated simlpe melodies stuck in my head. I'm really not much of a self-flagellant (although you'd be hard-pressed to know it from my posting career here...).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:17

If would listen to ther albums you would some well crafted rock'n'roll that may be simple, but certainly isn't dumb.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:21
Are you saying that the singles are really that much catchier and repetitititive than the album tracks? And that the sloppy playing and singing is suddenly much improved? Because if not, I really don't see the point.

I have not yet heard a single TWS song that didn't stick in my head right away, and I don't understand why that would have any kind of appeal at all. No point in listening to the tune if you can conjure it up just by thinking about the song title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:26
So your saying that if a song is catchy is in not artistic and therefore dumb? How incredibly prentetious. I guess you don't like The Kinks either, all of there songs are catchy. Your basically saying that all music thats accessible to a mainstream audience is dumb.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:30
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Your basically saying that all music thats accessible to a mainstream audience is dumb.


I can dig it!

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Watching Teaflax's last.fm charts it's clear that he likes well-constructed POP songs so that argument is somewhat silly.

I also share the view that espousing one's lack of musicianship doesn't make for good art, at least not since punk, but there's one guy who ruins that argument by professing his status as a "non-musician." Damnit Brian Eno, you're not helping ze intellectual angle. LOLTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 18:30
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

So your saying that rock music is unintelligent? I guess you think that the only good music is prog.

First of all, mine is not saying anything.

But no, not all of it, just that which uses the very obvious and simple tricks that anyone who has played an instrument for a year or so can easily figure out. That's called pandering, and it really is a pretty cheap thing to do. I guess some acts do it without meaning to, but that doesn't say much about their acumen.

And, yes, I do find the Kinks's biggest hits to be incessantly annyoing and simplistic (but I respect Ray Davies for many less famous tunes and for being a good lyricist - his recent solo album was pants, though).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 19:26
Lets just face, TWS aren't your thing. You obviously can't see how well crafted and creative there songs are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 19:52
Nope, can't see it.

Jack White seems to me to be about as sharp as sackful of slugs in the rain.

And where songs?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 22:06
Hmmm, well I find Pure Reason Revolution's choruses stick in my head pretty quick and you like them as a band.  So you have just contradicted yourself with your flimflam ideas about you not liking music that is catchy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 22:11
It's weird, I find a lot of prog to be catchier than pop music which is intended to be catchy.  At work the other day (while pushing carts in the rain... how fun), I had VdGG's Scorched Earth, Anglagard's Kung Bore, and a bunch of other random prog songs stuck in my head.  I find these songs much more catchy than say, The Pina Colada song. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 22:36
Mike, you Angry!  Thanks for bringing up The Pina Colada song!  It's not as annoying as Joe Pasquale's "I know a song that'll get on your nerves"!

But yes, I've had a lot of sections of Robert Wyatt's "Rock Bottom" album in my head for the past two days and also a bit of "Unfolded Like Staircase" by Discipline.

Kung-Bore is a cool tune, thanks for reminding me, Mike!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 22:41
Originally posted by Bluesaga Bluesaga wrote:

It's weird, I find a lot of prog to be catchier than pop music which is intended to be catchy.  At work the other day (while pushing carts in the rain... how fun), I had VdGG's Scorched Earth, Anglagard's Kung Bore, and a bunch of other random prog songs stuck in my head.  I find these songs much more catchy than say, The Pina Colada song. Wink
 
Ack! The mere mention of that song immediately got it stuck in my head!
 
As for the Raconteurs, I got their album as soon as I could, and I found it very engaging, and yes, catchy (gasp!). As mentioned earlier, the song Store Bought Bones does have a bit of a prog edge, as does the title track.
 
The White Stripes are one of my favorite bands right now. Elephant is my overall favorite. It sounds more melodically advanced than their other ones. And if covering three Captian Beefheart songs makes a band mainstream, then by all means, The White Stripes are definately mainstream.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 23:46
I like the Pina Colada Song, but the official song title is Escape (The Pina Colada Song)...I'm such a dork. I went through a phase where I listened to weird and somewhat random pop music quite frequently.

Genius lyrics:
Do you like Pina Coladas?
Gettin lost in the rain
And you don't care for yoga
Do you have half a brain?

Something along those lines

Haven't heard the Raconteurs album though, my brother probably owns it
"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."

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