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    Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:08
Ladies and gentlemen! Some days ago I have posted a question (appears below) and waited for about a week for any reaction. Silence was the answer, except for the lone reply (namely, by Fitzcarraldo (special thanks)), but it wasn't helpful as the replier is not a speaker of any of the Slavic languages.
 
Now I want to ask the same question for the second time; maybe, I'll be more lucky this time.
 
The question is as follows:
 
In the first East of Eden album, Mercator Projected, there is an anecdote told in a Slavic language (side B of the album; the anecdote is told between the songs). In their second album, SNAFU, there are two songs (more precisely, parts of songs) sung also in a Slavic language, probably the same (track 3, the "Xhorkom" part, and track 7, the "Habibi Baby" part).
 
I know what language this is not: it's surely not one of the Eastern Slavic languages (not Russian, not Ukrainian, not Byelorussian); almost surely not one of the Western Slavic languages (not Polish, not Czech, consequently, not Slovakian; the Upper and the Lower Sorbian have too little native speakers to have a chance).
 
Hence, it must be one of Southern Slavic languages: Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian. Which one? Does anybody know?
 
Also, who of the three (Nicholson, Caines, Arbus) knew the Slavic language?
 
I know there are some Slavic speakers in the forum. I hope someone would know the answer.
 
Thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:16
I speak Serbo-Croatian  but i never heard that album so i cant tell you what language is .Are you searching the meaning of the anecdote or simply in which language it is?All Slavic languages are similar ,i dont speak others than mine but i can tell you what language is it when i read the words. Can you post the words  here so i should answer you more properly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:28
Originally posted by DarioIndjic

I speak Serbo-Croatian  but i never heard that album so i cant tell you what language is .Are you searching the meaning of the anecdote or simply in which language it is?All Slavic languages are similar ,i dont speak others than mine but i can tell you what language is it when i read the words. Can you post the words  here so i should answer you more properly.
 
Hah, if I had the words I wouldn't ask. I am a native Slavic speaker by myself, so, I think, I would guess. The meaning of the anecdote is less interesting than the very fact of language recognizing, though I'd like to know the meaning also, if it's possible.
 
Thank you anyway. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 05:41
 Its not properly spoken Croatian.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 12:51
Originally posted by Glori

 Its not properly spoken Croatian.
 
Croatian? Do you mean Serbo-Croatian?
 
Why not properly?
 
And, who had the honour?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 17:22
I heard the album,i really cant tell you what is the language,maybe its sung in old Slavic,i dont know...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by DarioIndjic

I heard the album,i really cant tell you what is the language,maybe its sung in old Slavic,i dont know...
 
You mean the second album, SNAFU, right? Since it's impossible not to recognize the native language, it's definitely not Serbo-Croatian.
 
The option of the Church Slavonic is great! (BTW, also the Southern Slavic language, though the dead one.) 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2006 at 17:18
Well, the results after a week of waiting: 3 replies from 2 persons so far. Very intensive UnhappyUnhappyUnhappy.
 
This leads me to the following logical implications:
 
a) East of Eden is a Z-class band which hardly gets any attention from the forum members;
 
b) An overwhelming majority of the listeners just doesn't pay attention to what they listen to;
 
c) This is a hallucination shared by me, DarioIndjic and Glori -- there is no second language in two East of Eden albums (Mercator Projected and SNAFU), and the only language spoken in these albums is English.
 
Ouch
 
...I know that at least two out of three of the implications are absurdic...Unhappy


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2006 at 05:18
 
...it seems that...nobody wants to help me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2006 at 11:31
...still no reaction...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2006 at 11:51

Fassbinder, I'm following this thread only 'cause I have interest in languages and linguistics, also I have SNAFU but I can't help you since my native language and those related to it are in another branch.

Let's wait a bit more... don't give up! Ermm

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2006 at 12:11
Originally posted by Atkingani

Fassbinder, I'm following this thread only 'cause I have interest in languages and linguistics, also I have SNAFU but I can't help you since my native language and those related to it are in another branch.

Let's wait a bit more... don't give up! Ermm

 

 
Thank you for the supporting, Atkingani! Thank you very much.
 
Of course, I'll wait...
 
I hope for the help from the Slavic speakers, I know there are some in the forum.
 
Also, it cannot be mistake, there is a Slavic language alongside English in both Mercator Projected and SNAFU.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2006 at 22:24
Where are the other PA's Slavic speakers: Seyo, Ivanfrost, Eugene... ? Embarrassed
 
I heard and heard SNAFU today and I'm now very curious? Could it be some of those Slavic languages with a few thousand speakers? Remember that many people of these minorities migrated to Western Europe, North America, Australia, maybe one East Of Eden's member has roots there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2006 at 05:09
Originally posted by Atkingani

Where are the other PA's Slavic speakers: Seyo, Ivanfrost, Eugene... ? Embarrassed
Indeed... 
I heard and heard SNAFU today and I'm now very curious? Could it be some of those Slavic languages with a few thousand speakers?
I hardly believe it's Upper or Lower Sorbian. For my linguistic ears (plus I'm a native Slavic speaker) it is one from the following three: Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Bulgarian (all are Southern Slavic languages; the option of the Old Church Slavonic is interesting, but this is a dead language, it's not spoken). DarioIndjic said he didn't recognise the language, and his native one is Serbo-Croatian...
Remember that many people of these minorities migrated to Western Europe, North America, Australia, maybe one East Of Eden's member has roots there.
The surname of Dave Arbus is Slavic (or, at least, may be interpreted as Slavic), but it is not a decisive factot as everyone of them might have Slavic roots while having non-Slavic surname.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2006 at 09:24
Ha ha nice topic...
I allways thought that this a rewind singing, I mean that they did it in the studio or something like this, I thought its an english that mixed togther to some "jibrish" words. like: "zizne", or "courezal"...
 
this what is think about this.   ( I didnt have Mercator Projected)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2006 at 12:10
The option of gibberish is also an interesting one, but I hope very much that it is also the wrong one, proger.
 
Some words vividly remind me of the notions of "life" or "little"; at least, I can say it may be Slavic pronunciation of these words. That's about SNAFU.
 
In Mercator Projected the speech is obviously not gibberish; it is certainly a language, but I just don't know which one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2006 at 11:44
...still waiting for my saviour...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:23
...no, nobody???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2006 at 16:45
It seems that I'm mostly speaking with myself...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:21
Fassbinder,
 
You are obviously desperate for an answer, so I asked Geoff Nicholson from the group. He told me the following:
 
I believe the language we used on Mercator Projected was Serbo-Croat. It was spoken by Dave Arbus who had recently graduated from Bristol University with a degree in Languages. The language on Snafu is English -we just ran the tapes backwards.

Geoff Nicholson (East of Eden)
 
Happy now? Smile
 
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