High Tide - Prog Rock or Prog Metal?

I think they are metal in the same way as I think Black Sabbath is. But I'll admit I would never say: You should listen to High Tide, its Prog-Metal. Then again, I would never say that about anything. Not even Opeth.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: None, not Prog Rock, not Proto Prog, maybe Proto Metal.   Iván

Maybe Proto Metal (music similar to Black Sabbath), maybe rather first prog metal band? Who knows?

I voted rock. There's no doubting they're prog.

let me put it like this: High Tide are prog metal as it should be. unfortunately that has not much to do do with prog metal as it is

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ ok, so you're saying that High Tide are what Prog Metal SHOULD be like - but High Tide are not Prog Metal as it is commonly defined? That would make much sense to me.

yes, exactly

Actually it is not that simple. I voted for prog-rock (nothing "proto" in there - truly progressive band). But I would agree with BaldJean - this is what prog-metal should be. But as per current sub-genres status and definitions it is definitely prog-rock.

Their guitar/vilolin counterparts are amazing, by the way.

BaldFriede, no one would dare to call you nuts!  Phytosaur :

The name "Phytosaur", by the way, literally means "plant reptile" and stems from the false believe of the palaentologists that named it that it was a plant eating animal. I don't know what they have been smoking, but does an animal that looks like this strike you as "plant eating"?

You carry my anology too far, Mike; I did not mean to say that. Perhaps I should have mentioned that, just as the breathing system of the phytosaurs was more advanced than that of the crocodiles, the legs of the crocodiiles were more advanced than the legs of the phytosaurs, and most probably their circuit too (crocodiles have the most advanced circuit of all reptiles today), though we can't know the latter one for sure, since soft tissue is very rarely conserved over the ages, and we usually only find the bones.

I can only speak on my own behalf. When I try to listen to some of the big prog metal names, or if I stream some of the lesser known ones here, a lot of the times I wish more of them took inspiration for making hard, complex metal elsewhere.

Often the vocalist ruins the whole thing for me with either the traditional metal falsetto voice (Dream Theater, Psychotic Waltz...). Then its the general sound, and the kitschy quasi classical keyboards fanfares. Quite often the lyrics and concepts are so pompous its embarrassing. Infact everything we tend to call cheesy is very present in this genre.

I wish that the combined inspiration taken from it seems Iron Maiden, Queensryche, Metallica, Rush, (and ELP, Yes of the classic bands) etc... was less dominant.

I have no problem with extreme aggression, speed, growling, all things considered typical for metal.

But I do wish more bands developed an alternative path for how prog-metal sounds, and it would be great if more bands took inspiration from forexample High Tide.

I like and even love some of the new, harder prog. But I understand (my own, and) other people's problems/frustration with parts of the established progmetal sound. And the troubles thinking they're sound or attitude is very 'prog' or 'progressive'.

And again, I think High Tide can be considered progmetal, even if the new bands doesn't sound like them. Not many progressive electronic bands or artists would namecheck (or sound like) Franco Battiato's early seventies recordings as a big influence either, but that's still the most correct genre for his albums from that time.