High Tide - Prog Rock or Prog Metal?

ivansfr0st wrote: Wait, so why should Prog-Metal be like High Tide? I get it not.    -- Ivan

MikeEnRegalia wrote: It may seem pathietic to you ... but only if you expect it to be something which it never claimed to be.

Like progressive?

This time I was actually trying to be a little humorous, Mike.

ivansfr0st wrote: Wait, so why should Prog-Metal be like High Tide? I get it not.    -- Ivan

Because High Tide had a certain quality I miss within most of Prog Metal (with the odd exception). It is hard to put into words what it is; the best I can come up with is a certain "dirtiness" of High Tide, which I miss in most prog metal acts. They are heavy, yes, but somehow squeaky clean. There is a German expression, "die Sau rauslassen", "letting the sow out". High Tide could do that, most of prog metal can't, in my opinion, however hard they may be. It is strangely lifeless and sterile. As I said, there are exceptions, but not many.


Edited by BaldFriede - July 26 2006 at 10:53

BaldFriede wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Wait, so why should Prog-Metal be like High Tide? I get it not.    -- Ivan Because High Tide had a certain quality I miss within most of Prog Metal (with the odd exception). It is hard to put into words what it is; the best I can come up with is a certain "dirtyness" of High Tide, which I miss in most prog metal acts. They are heavy, yes, but somehow squeaky clean. There is a German expression, "die Sau rauslassen", "letting the sow out". High Tide could do that, most of prog metal can't, in my opinion, however hard they may be. It is strangely lifeless and sterile. As I said, there are exceptions, but not many.

Maybe you would like the Hammers of Fortune ... you should give them a try. I think there are some samples on their homepage (you find them in the websites list on my homepage).

ivansfr0st wrote: BaldFriede wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Wait, so why should Prog-Metal be like High Tide? I get it not.    -- Ivan Because High Tide had a certain quality I miss within most of Prog Metal (with the odd exception). It is hard to put into words what it is; the best I can come up with is a certain "dirtyness" of High Tide, which I miss in most prog metal acts. They are heavy, yes, but somehow squeaky clean. There is a German expression, "die Sau rauslassen", "letting the sow out". High Tide could do that, most of prog metal can't, in my opinion, however hard they may be. It is strangely lifeless and sterile. As I said, there are exceptions, but not many.   I have never understood where you draw your conclusions from; most of the Prog-Metal I listen to is as emotionally powerful and engaging as nothing I have ever heard, and I have now completely resorted my reviewing time to my favourite artists(which is why I was made a Prog Reviewer, I guess), instead of offering just another opinion on oftenly covered, "famous" artists and prog greats.   Neither do I really understand what you mean by the "dirtiness of sound", as the albums you mentioned in this and your previous post didn't strike as something particularly "dirty".   eugene wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Wait, so why should Prog-Metal be like High Tide? I get it not.    -- Ivan   Because prog-metal as it is now (well, most of it) is pathetic.     That's like saying Led Zeppelin is Death Metal, because I think most Death Metal is pathetic, and I'd rather those "funny bands" sound like Zep. Even if one means "quality", "quality" is not measured by a number, and is just a matter of taste, experience, comprehension, as well as mere like/dislike.   Rocktopus wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: It may seem pathietic to you ... but only if you expect it to be something which it never claimed to be. Like progressive?   Shhhhhhhhure, it'd be a great progress if all Prog-Metal bands decided to shut up, round up in a circle and sound like High Tide while holding hands together.    -- Ivan

I didn't say anything about emotions, I said something about cleanliness. Although very hard, prog metal is vary rarely really dissonant; why, even the distorted guitars don't sound distorted anymore (which is probably due to over-production of albums). That's what I mean when I talk about "clean". Although I still am not satisfied with my words; somehow I can't convey how I feel about it.
And no, I don't expect prog metal bands to sound like High Tide. But I certainly wish them to be more daring. Playing hard and fast is not daring, in my opinion.
By the way, my posts are rarely about the standard artists either.


Edited by BaldFriede - July 26 2006 at 13:14

Prog Rock / Proto-Prog-Rock

Of course, I agree - it's pretty obvious, but this minor use of death metal features does not make album or band "metal" - but we are in agreement on this point, anyway.