Carrying contraceptives

Bob Greece wrote: The Wizard wrote: Yes, I would becuase some men hate using condoms and they don't always carry them. I don't want to force morality on my daughter either, and even If I do that's no garuntee to prevent her from having sex.   It's irresponsible to have sex without condoms. You never know what you might catch or transmit.

bhikkhu wrote:    I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.

Bob Greece wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Its 12 YES to 1 NO.. guess who answered NO I wish someone would come in and answer NO and explain his/her side   Saying 'no' is the same view as that of the Catholic church. Sorry to bring religion up but it has been mentioned a few times already. The Catholic church thinks that if people don't carry or use condoms then they won't have sex. This is wrong. agreed, (Im a non Catholic BTW)   If you rephrase your question into "Would you encourage your children to have sex" then you'd get a lot more 'no' answers. well, quite obviously

Thanks for reminding me.....

Ghost Rider wrote: Sean Trane wrote: bhikkhu wrote:    I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.               Uuuhhh!!..........   Sex is meant to please not harm. especially when the two individual appreciate each other.   Just thought I'd remind you of this.   While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene (inadequacies, strong distastes , simply bad physical chemistry >> which is possible even when the characterial chemistry is fine) into whether to keep going in that relation.     Generally nobody is having sex with someone the do not appreciate (outside the prostitution thing) at least quite a bit!!! or else, they are masochists (and THAT my friend is a whole other debate) Hugues, yours is the point of view of a decent human being, who respects others as well as himself. You'd be surprised at the number of people who use sex to harm others - and I'm not talking about rape (which has nothing to do with sex, anyway). Having sex with somebody who is in love with you when you are not is a wonderful way of hurting them, especially when you can't be honest about that from the very beginning. This is why I tend to endorse Bhikkhu's views, which are quite rare in men, and nowadays also in women. It's not moralism, but rather a moral issue - to me, immorality is making others suffer. I hold these views because I've suffered a lot in the past because of men's dishonest behaviour. And I could write a book about the appreciation thing... If you mean "fancy", that's one thing - pure physical chemistry. Appreciation goes deeper, and involves other aspects than the purely physical.That said, I agree with you that it's best to try sex soon in a relationship, unless one is only interested in only having a spiritual bond with their partner.

    
Thanks for the support Raffaella.

My point was about emotional distress. I have been the cause, and the recipient of it in the past. I have found that even if it is just supposed to be casual, there are always some underlying emotions. You may not even realize it at first, but it can easily surface afterwards. I do not wish to cause harm in any way, shape, or form. Yes, I know that sometimes it is not intentional, but I will do my best to avoid it. That is all that can be expected.

My oldest daughter is 11, she's not that occupied with boys. We are very open so she allready knows enough. When she is older we are gonna talk about contraceptives whether it be condoms or the pill.

Thats nice Glass House.

I think parents should not scare their children into not having sex. Sex is beautiful ( again ) when it is done within marriage IMO. Youngsters nowadays get all impulsive and stuff and jump right at the opportunity of having it. specially with the protection we now have.In the end, they just get hurt. Jumping from one sexual relationship to another. For me, if youre not ready for the result of sex, even if you think that it is the right thing to do at that time, if youre not ready-- then better not do it. Parents play a very imprtant role here, I think all of us will agree.  Not forcing anything though.

Ghost Rider wrote: Hugues, yours is the point of view of a decent human being, who respects others as well as himself. >> surely that is a majority of the people you desctibe here. The point of having sex with another person is to share pleasure (this means reciprocated pleasure or else there will not be a second or next time).       You'd be surprised at the number of people who use sex to harm others - and I'm not talking about rape (which has nothing to do with sex, anyway). Having sex with somebody who is in love with you when you are not is a wonderful way of hurting them, especially when you can't be honest about that from the very beginning. >>> well this lack of honesty is also understandable, since one is often afraid of opening up to the other >> especially with today's women: tell them you love them a bit too quickly (by being sensitive) and you find that they will flee!   While women cry out for sensitive men, I actually think they are out for the strong type that can be sensitive once in a whilm and not the sensitive men that can be occasionally strong. This double language from women is quite confusing , but the women do not control who they are attracted to, but generally it is jerks they fall for, and the "nice guys" can f**k off (unfortunately only figuratively speaking) This is why I tend to endorse Bhikkhu's views, which are quite rare in men, and nowadays also in women. I think I told you once that the sad thing is that women are trying to be the equal of men by imitating the men's worst sides (love, driving, opportunist careers, kick boxing etc...) and this is only making them wrong about it   It's not moralism, but rather a moral issue - to me, immorality is making others suffer. I hold these views because I've suffered a lot in the past because of men's dishonest behaviour.  Highly biased comment , sister >>> women are just as dishonnest and even more manipulative re: sex and love than men are. And they know the formulas well: the way to a man's body is through his balls, but the way to his heart is through his stomach >>> the only one of those female proverbs I see fit to print here       And I could write a book about the appreciation thing... If you mean "fancy", that's one thing - pure physical chemistry. Appreciation goes deeper, and involves other aspects than the purely physical.  >>> if you are talking of deceiving the other just in terms to be able to screw him or her, then you get into another debate, we are talking of consenting adults with reasonably honesty  >> this is still over 90% of the population.   But this concerns only a small part of males which have predatory instincts and usually hang out in disco and bars. But are the women hanging out in such places not yet aware and therefore willing toplay that game . Therefore we are spaking of consenting adults also That said, I agree with you that it's best to try sex soon in a relationship, unless one is only interested in only having a spiritual bond with their partner.

For Hugues (sorry not to quote all of your message, but Ivan's style is not for me!):

I agree on many of the things you said, and also on the fact that women nowadays are trying to imitate the worst sides of men. I have also suffered a lot at the hands of women - obviously not in a romantic or sexual sense (I've always been into men only), but in such situations as the workplace or even friendship, so I know that women can be as mean as men, and even worse.

I'm no man-basher by any means: I love being in the company of men, and I prefer them as friends and colleagues. That said, I can't forget those who hurt me or made me feel inadequate for most of my life. As to women "crying for sensitive men" and then falling for j***s, I've never been one of these. I'm an extremely honest person and I've never been attracted by macho types. I've also never fled from somebody who said he loved me, if I loved him in return. One thing you can believe about me: I've never played any games with men, as I don't do in any kind of relationship. I'm about as open and honest as you can find, and you would realise it immediately should you meet me in person (which I hope will happen soon ).