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Sean Trane
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Topic: The Patti Smith Group Posted: July 26 2006 at 03:21 |
Just rented the first four remastered album of hers. Although I find her stuff slightly over-rated, this woman’s career does have some very interesting moments in her early albums (while I am aware of her later career which picked-up in 96 I have not had a chance yet to hear it, but I suppose this is now a matter of months) , man , this chick has got some class (and good collabs) and is bloody cute as well – I love brunettes like her.
While the “High-priestess of punk” or other stupid title are vastly too exaggerated, this chick had some cool lyrics (strongly inspired by Rimbaud and Verlaine to the point she made it into a cult like Jim Morrison did too) and her group was highly influential and certainly one of the better things to cime out of the NY punk scene (along with Ramones and Television and the superb Talking Heads – not really punk, these last ones).
Her first few albums are icons of punk, but every progheads must listen to those, partly because there are a few surprises.
Horses: although attributed to Patti Smith (no group) , the structure of the group is well into place. A bit overrated an album, it does have the excellent Gloria, the 9-min+ Horses and Free money as great highlights. On the downside there are few duds (the 9-min Birdland is fairly boring and the bonus My Generation is purposely atrocious.
Radio Ethiopia: While this one is not as well regarded by punk specialist, this is the one album of hers most likely to interest the proghead. Not just because of the 10-min+ title track (which is excellent), but this album is rather more even album than Horses. Other highlights include XXXX . Interesting Chicklets bonus track too. >>> My personal fave from her and my recommendation should you try her out.
Easter: not my fave album of hers to say the least, in spite of her two anthemic tracks like Because The Night and RnR Nigger (an ode to Hendrix), maybe because there are no longer tracks. Other interesting moments are the live Babelogue where she raves like a mad beat poet (rap artistes can go back in their cribs) used as an intro to RnR Nigger and would now get her a lot of heat for her text and 25 Floor and High On rebellion. Inferior or very average track include Space Monkey, the opening Till Victory, Privilege etc… Boring and overlong (6 mins) title track (although the lyrics are good) and above-average bonus track Godspeed (rings a bell?)
Waves: the last of her “classic” albums (IMHO anyway) including the Byrds RnR Star and BOC Fire Of Unknown Origin as a bonus track. This album is well in the line of Easter.
One of the sad things is that her lyrics are still not printed in the remasters. Which is rather annoying for her lyricist reputation.
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 09:00 |
I quite like some of the things she's done, but I can't say I'm really familiar with her albums - so I wouldn't be able to recommend any. That said, I know the songs she wrote for the mighty BOC when she was dating keyboardist Allen Lanier: "Baby Ice Dog", "Career of Evil", "Fire of Unknown Origin" (the album is my current avatar), and probably others I can't remember now. They're all fantastic - and yes, I shall not rest until I see BOC in here...
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WaywardSon
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 09:30 |
I´ve only really heard Horses so I voted for that one. Er.. Patti Smith..cute?
Still love her version of Because the night.(compared to the version by Natalie Merchant)
Edited by WaywardSon - July 26 2006 at 09:40
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 10:38 |
WaywardSon wrote:
I´ve only really heard Horses so I voted for that one. Er.. Patti Smith..cute? >>> definitely no Barbie doll, but a real woman she was >> you oughta take a look how she aged too on her recent record >> no chirurgy involved either.
Still love her version of Because the night.>> this was written with Bruce Sprinsteen , sounds like it, but sung properly (compared to the version by Natalie Merchant) |
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WaywardSon
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 12:17 |
She also did a cameo spot on an REM video-"E bow the letter" Great video and great song.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 03:15 |
So I went with Radio Ethiopia
Guess not too many are into her music!
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Syzygy
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 07:45 |
Although it's not her strongest album, Easter is the one I listen to most often. I don't think that any individual tracks on Horses or Radio Ethipia are as powerful as Babelogue, RnR Nigger and Because the Night, although the rest of the album is patchy to say the least.
I've always felt that Patti Smith never quite lived up to her potential - her poetry is quite brilliant (listen to Babelogue on headphones and be amazed) and her voice is strong within a limited range, but the music didn't always do her words justice - the group had a tendency to slip into sub Rolling Stones R&R cliches at times.
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'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 08:43 |
Syzygy wrote:
Although it's not her strongest album, Easter is the one I listen to most often. I don't think that any individual tracks on Horses or Radio Ethipia are as powerful as Babelogue, RnR Nigger and Because the Night, although the rest of the album is patchy to say the least. Me too. Of those listed the only one I don't have is Wave and from what I hear the lyrics are the weakest of that era for her.
I've always felt that Patti Smith never quite lived up to her potential - her poetry is quite brilliant (listen to Babelogue on headphones and be amazed) and her voice is strong within a limited range, but the music didn't always do her words justice - the group had a tendency to slip into sub Rolling Stones R&R cliches at times. "Privilege (Set Me Free)" is still my favorite off Easter, followed by "Babelogue". Radio Ethiopia was less about prog than it was about experimentation, and I never felt like she aquitted herself well on that album. Horses is a masterpeice!
| So my vote is Easter. Sean - no, I don't suppose she's a candidate for prog, but then that was never her goal. I wonder if she would have turned out more like Laurie Anderson is she hadn't heard all those early Stooges / Iggy Pop albums.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 05:35 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Although it's not her strongest album, Easter is the one I listen to most often. I don't think that any individual tracks on Horses or Radio Ethipia are as powerful as Babelogue, RnR Nigger and Because the Night, although the rest of the album is patchy to say the least. Me too. Of those listed the only one I don't have is Wave and from what I hear the lyrics are the weakest of that era for her.
I've always felt that Patti Smith never quite lived up to her potential - her poetry is quite brilliant (listen to Babelogue on headphones and be amazed) and her voice is strong within a limited range, but the music didn't always do her words justice - the group had a tendency to slip into sub Rolling Stones R&R cliches at times. "Privilege (Set Me Free)" is still my favorite off Easter, followed by "Babelogue". Radio Ethiopia was less about prog than it was about experimentation, and I never felt like she aquitted herself well on that album. Horses is a masterpeice!
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So my vote is Easter.
Sean - no, I don't suppose she's a candidate for prog, but then that was never her goal. I wonder if she would have turned out more like Laurie Anderson is she hadn't heard all those early Stooges / Iggy Pop albums. |
relax! I posted this in the non-prog music and was not sugesting something even close to her inclusion.
Just that she was a rather uncompromising artistes and is still fidel to her ideals. Classy woman!
I agree with Chris saying that Smith's potential wa never fully achieved, though. and Babelogue is great
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