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    Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:31
The British magazine Jazzwise have been very brave and compiled an all time, influential jazz albums top one hundred, in their August 2006 edition. Good to see a number of albums listed which are also listed  in PA, or might be sooner or later: Bitches Brew, Heavy Weather, Inner Mounting Flame, Headhunters, Naked City, Bright Size Life, Return To Forever (the first album). MMW too. And  it looks like Machine's Third is only just outside the 100.
 
However, there are a couple of entries with which Jazzwise have let their semantics slip, e.g. compilations of Louis Armstrong recordings made in the 20's and compilations of recordings of Hot Club De Paris  made in the late 30's  - i.e. recordings made well before the advent of long playing record albums. And I'm always twitchy when albums recorded only in the last few years get such inclusions, e.g. Polar Bear's last and the Bad Plus's 2003 album.
 
I leave you to guess what these jazz experts have nominated at postions 1, 2 and 3 - clue: straight jazz but fairly obvious selections.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:48
I'll guess:
 
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:17
Originally posted by pirkka pirkka wrote:

I'll guess:
 
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
 
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Cool, 2 of the three named here, but no.3 is relative toughie. (The Duke doesn't come higher than No. 14).

And I forgot to metion Lifetime's Emergency is in the 100.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:27
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Round Midnight, Cookin at the Plugged Nickel, later pop jazz recordings like Amandla because they were far superior to the Kenny Gs, Earl Klugh etc playing this music.
 
John Coltrane - A love supreme, Blue Train, Afro Blue suite Ascension
 
Roy (Eldridge) and Diz (Gillespe)
 
Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall, Trios and Quartets
 
Anything guitarists Dhango Rheinhart, Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery did
 
Duke Ellington at Newport. New Orleans Suite
 
Bix Beiderbecke recordings,
 
Al Dimeola - Land of the Midnight Sun, Kiss my Axe
 
Mahiishiveu Orchestra (John McGlauglin) - Inner Mounting Flame, Birds of Fire, lost trident sessions
 
Josh Redman - Everything he has done so far
 
Jimmy Smith - Live at the Chicken Shack and most everything else
 
Ornette Coleman - Live at the Golden Circle 1 and 2, Prime Time
 
Count Basie - Columbia recordings with Lester Young
 
Dave Bruebeck - Time Out
 
Sonny Rollins - Way out west, Saxophonist Collssus (latest stuff is great too)
 
Art Blakey - Caravan and recordings including Horace Silver
 
Jaco Pastoruis - Jaco
 
John Scofield - with the scolopho band, with Pat Methany
 
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
 
Charlie Parker - anything without strings and no bootleg live recordings.
 
Sidney Bechet - mostly anything
 
Live at Massey Hall, Parker, Gillisphe, Max Roach, Charles Mingus.
 
Chet Baker/Gerry Mulligan quintet
 
P.S. The british label Prospro has terrific word of many of these artists in the 1930's, 40's and 50's at a great price and great notes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:34
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by pirkka pirkka wrote:

I'll guess:
 
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
 
Pirkka

Cool, 2 of the three named here, but no.3 is relative toughie. (The Duke doesn't come higher than No. 14).

And I forgot to metion Lifetime's Emergency is in the 100.
 
Well how about  Ornette Coleman: The Shape of Jazz To Come
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:44
Thanks for the tip, Dick, i'll look out for the "100 jazz albums that shook the world" edition, though i think "The Bad Plus" album you mention is brilliant and would feature high up on my top 100!!Thumbs Up
also the "Lounge Lizards"
 
 


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Apologies for the errors, since I'm not copy-typist, but I've  decided to give you the works:
  1. Miles Davis: Kind Of Blue
  2. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme
  3. Ornette Coleman: The Shape Of Jazz To Come
  4. Bill Evans Trio: Sunday At The Village Vanguard
  5. Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
  6. Thelonius Monk: Brillant Corners
  7. Charles Mingus: Mingus Ah Um
  8. Charlie Parker: The Complete Original Master Takes. The Savoy Recordings
  9. Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
  10. Keith Jarrett: The Köln Concert
  11. John Coltrane Giant Steps
  12. Eric Dolphy: Out To Lunch
  13. Louis Armstrong: Complete Hot Fives & Sevens
  14. Duke Ellington: The Blanton-Webster Band
  15. Mahavishnu Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
  16. Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity
  17. Herbie Hancock: Head Hunters
  18. Dave Brubeck Quartet: Time Out
  19. Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz
  20. Weather Report: Heavy Weather
  21. Ahmad Jamal: But Not For Me- At The Pershing
  22. Jelly Roll Morton: Volume 1
  23. Frank Sinatra: Songs For Swingin’ Lovers
  24. Wes Montgomery: The Incredible Guitar Of Wes Montgomery
  25. Modern Jazz Quartet: Fontessa
  26. Bud Powell: The Genius Of Bud Powell
  27. Cecil Taylor: At The Café Montmartre
  28. Art Blakey: Moanin’
  29. Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage
  30. Stan Getz & JoaoGilberto; Getz/Gilberto
  31. Pat Metheny: Bright Size Life
  32. Jimmy Smith: A New Sound, A New Star
  33. Jan Garbarek: Afric Pepperbird
  34. Woodie Herman: The Thundering Herds
  35. Duke Ellington: Ellington At Newport
  36. Ella Fitzgerald: Sings The Cole Porter Songbook
  37. Charles Mingus: The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady
  38. Cannonball Adderley: Somethin’ Else
  39. Tony Williams Lifetime: Emergency
  40. Billie Holiday: At JATP
  41. Chick Corea: Return To Forever
  42. Stan Getz: Focus
  43. Miles Davis: Sketches Of Spain
  44. George Russell: The Jazz Workshop
  45. John Coltrane: Impressions
  46. Andrew Hill: Point Of Departure
  47. Sonny Rollins: The Bridge
  48. Sun Ra: The Heliocentric Worlds Of Sun Ra Volume 1
  49. Dizzy Gillespie: Shaw ‘Nuff
  50. Lennie Tristano: Tristano
  51. John Zorn: Naked City
  52. John McLaughlin: Extrapolation
  53. Pharoah Sanders: Karma
  54. Lester Young: Lester Young/Budy Rich Trio
  55. John Coltrane: Ascension
  56. Art Ensemble Of Chicago: A Jackson In Your House
  57. Horace Silver: Song For My Father
  58. Clifford Brown/Max Roach Quintet: Clifford Brown & Max Roach
  59. Coleman Hawkins: Body & Soul
  60. Peter Brötzmann Octet: Machine Gun
  61. Miles Davis: Birth Of The Cool
  62. Count Basie: The Atomic Mr Basie
  63. Archie Shepp: Four For Trane
  64. Brad Mehldau: Art Of The Trio Volume 3
  65. Gerry Mulligan: Gerry Mulligan Quartet
  66. Gil Evans: The Individualism Of Gil Evans
  67. John Handy: Live At The Monterey Festival
  68. Esbjörn Svensson Trio: From Gagarin’s Point Of View
  69. Stan Tracey: Jazz Suite Inspired By Dylan Thomas’ Under Milk Wood
  70. Dollar Brand (aka Abdullah Ibrahim): African Marketplace
  71. Wayne Shorter: Speak No Evil
  72. Thelonius Monk: The Genius Of Modern Music Volume 1
  73. Roland Kirk: Rip Rig & Panic
  74. Herbie Hancock: The New Standard
  75. Oscar Peterson: Night Train
  76. Charles Lloyd: Dream Weaver
  77. Art Tatum: The Genius Of Art Tatum No. 1
  78. Betty Carter: An Audience With Betty Carter
  79. Oliver Nelson: The Blues & The Abstract Truth
  80. John Surman: Tales Of The Algonquin
  81. Eberhard Weber: The Colours Of Chloë
  82. Steve Coleman & The Five Elements: The Tao Of Mad Phat: Fringe Zones
  83. Diana Krall: Love Scenes
  84. Anthony Braxton: For Alto
  85. Krzystof Komeda: Polskie Nagrania Muza
  86. Steps Ahead: Steps Ahead
  87. Django Reinhardt: Rétrospective 1934-53
  88. Joe Harriott-John Mayer Double Quintet: Indo-Jazz Suite
  89. Jackie McLean: Let freedom Ring
  90. Charlie Haden: Liberation Music Orchestra
  91. Music Improvisation Company: Music Improvisation Company
  92. Sarah Vaughan: Sarah Vaughan
  93. Jan Johanssen: Jazz Pa Svenska
  94. Cassandra Wilson: Blue Light ‘Til Dawn
  95. Wynton Marsalis: Black Codes For The Underground
  96. Medeski Martin & Wood: Combustication
  97. Tomasz Stanko: Soul Of Things
  98. Courtney Pine: Journey To The Urge Within
  99. The Bad Plus: These Are The Vistas
  100. Polar Bear: Held By The Tips Of Fingers



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 16:55

Also rans, I guess the next 25 (but not in any particular order):

Bobby McFerrin: The Voice

Ganelin Trio: Catalogue: Live In East Germany

John Scofiled: Time On My Hands

Wayne Horwitz & The President: Miracle Mile

Anouar Brahem; Thimar

Gary Burtion & Carla Bley: A Genuine Tong Funeral

Alice Coltrane: Journey In Satchidananda

Billy Cobham: Spectrum

Nucleus: Elastic Rock

Greg Osby: Art Forum

Charlie Christian: New Solo Flight: The Genius Of Charlie Christian

Erroll Garner: Concert By The Sea

Larry Young: Unity

James Carter: JC On The Set

Ray Charles & Milt Jackson: Soul Brother

Keith Jarrett: Belonging

Joshua Redman: Moodswing

Soweto Kinch: Conversations With The Unseen

Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong: Ella & Louis

Herbie Mann: Memphis Underground

Miles Davis: Miles Smiles

Soft Machine: Third

Ralph Towner: Solstice

Mose Allison: Back Country Suite

Max Roach: Freedom Now Suite
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:14
hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.

#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a  miscarriage of justice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.

#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a  miscarriage of justice.


I think it shouldbe  included, although my first introduction to Brubeck remains my favourite, the Carnegie Hall live set, but as to position?????????????????????? And personally I think Time Out is relevant to a lot of early Brit proggers - it is also the original home of Take 5.

But Diana Krall coming in, in the 80's????

Kind Of Blue just makes it ahead of A Love Supreme to number one (Coltrane is on both!), perhaps on the basis of it being the best selling jazz album (and there is some good reason for that wrt its music) - apparently it is still selling 5000 units per week world wide!

It need more consideration but on first glance the 100 has a reasonable balance, for instance fusion is there and the Europeans are pretty well represented, as well as the mainstream. I did wonder why Escalator Over The Hill didn't make either list.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:15
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.

#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a  miscarriage of justice.


I think it shouldbe  included, although my first introduction to Brubeck remains my favourite, the Carnegie Hall live set, but as to position?????????????????????? And personally I think Time Out is relevant to a lot of early Brit proggers - it is also the original home of Take 5.

But Diana Krall coming in, in the 80's????

Kind Of Blue just makes it ahead of A Love Supreme to number one (Coltrane is on both!), perhaps on the basis of it being the best selling jazz album (and there is some good reason for that wrt its music) - apparently it is still selling 5000 units per week world wide!

It need more consideration but on first glance the 100 has a reasonable balance, for instance fusion is there and the Europeans are pretty well represented, as well as the mainstream. I did wonder why Escalator Over The Hill didn't make either list.


 I agree ... on  a first glance with non-expert eyes I thought the list  looked pretty good.  I wondered if the 'prog fan'  in me was the one thinking that Time Out should be  bit higher.  Then again... you run into ...which albums would you drop down. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:55
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Apologies for the errors, since I'm not copy-typist, but I've  decided to give you the works:
  1. Miles Davis: Kind Of Blue
  2. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme
  3. Ornette Coleman: The Shape Of Jazz To Come
  4. Bill Evans Trio: Sunday At The Village Vanguard
  5. Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
  6. Thelonius Monk: Brillant Corners
  7. Charles Mingus: Mingus Ah Um
  8. Charlie Parker: The Complete Original Master Takes. The Savoy Recordings
  9. Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
  10. Keith Jarrett: The Köln Concert
  11. John Coltrane Giant Steps
  12. Eric Dolphy: Out To Lunch
  13. Louis Armstrong: Complete Hot Fives & Sevens
  14. Duke Ellington: The Blanton-Webster Band
  15. Mahavishnu Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
  16. Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity
  17. Herbie Hancock: Head Hunters
  18. Dave Brubeck Quartet: Time Out
  19. Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz
  20. Weather Report: Heavy Weather
  21. Ahmad Jamal: But Not For Me- At The Pershing
  22. Jelly Roll Morton: Volume 1
  23. Frank Sinatra: Songs For Swingin’ Lovers
  24. Wes Montgomery: The Incredible Guitar Of Wes Montgomery
  25. Modern Jazz Quartet: Fontessa
  26. Bud Powell: The Genius Of Bud Powell
  27. Cecil Taylor: At The Café Montmartre
  28. Art Blakey: Moanin’
  29. Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage
  30. Stan Getz & JoaoGilberto; Getz/Gilberto
  31. Pat Metheny: Bright Size Life
  32. Jimmy Smith: A New Sound, A New Star
  33. Jan Garbarek: Afric Pepperbird
  34. Woodie Herman: The Thundering Herds
  35. Duke Ellington: Ellington At Newport
  36. Ella Fitzgerald: Sings The Cole Porter Songbook
  37. Charles Mingus: The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady
  38. Cannonball Adderley: Somethin’ Else
  39. Tony Williams Lifetime: Emergency
  40. Billie Holiday: At JATP
  41. Chick Corea: Return To Forever
  42. Stan Getz: Focus
  43. Miles Davis: Sketches Of Spain
  44. George Russell: The Jazz Workshop
  45. John Coltrane: Impressions
  46. Andrew Hill: Point Of Departure
  47. Sonny Rollins: The Bridge
  48. Sun Ra: The Heliocentric Worlds Of Sun Ra Volume 1
  49. Dizzy Gillespie: Shaw ‘Nuff
  50. Lennie Tristano: Tristano
  51. John Zorn: Naked City
  52. John McLaughlin: Extrapolation
  53. Pharoah Sanders: Karma
  54. Lester Young: Lester Young/Budy Rich Trio
  55. John Coltrane: Ascension
  56. Art Ensemble Of Chicago: A Jackson In Your House
  57. Horace Silver: Song For My Father
  58. Clifford Brown/Max Roach Quintet: Clifford Brown & Max Roach
  59. Coleman Hawkins: Body & Soul
  60. Peter Brötzmann Octet: Machine Gun
  61. Miles Davis: Birth Of The Cool
  62. Count Basie: The Atomic Mr Basie
  63. Archie Shepp: Four For Trane
  64. Brad Mehldau: Art Of The Trio Volume 3
  65. Gerry Mulligan: Gerry Mulligan Quartet
  66. Gil Evans: The Individualism Of Gil Evans
  67. John Handy: Live At The Monterey Festival
  68. Esbjörn Svensson Trio: From Gagarin’s Point Of View
  69. Stan Tracey: Jazz Suite Inspired By Dylan Thomas’ Under Milk Wood
  70. Dollar Brand (aka Abdullah Ibrahim): African Marketplace
  71. Wayne Shorter: Speak No Evil
  72. Thelonius Monk: The Genius Of Modern Music Volume 1
  73. Roland Kirk: Rip Rig & Panic
  74. Herbie Hancock: The New Standard
  75. Oscar Peterson: Night Train
  76. Charles Lloyd: Dream Weaver
  77. Art Tatum: The Genius Of Art Tatum No. 1
  78. Betty Carter: An Audience With Betty Carter
  79. Oliver Nelson: The Blues & The Abstract Truth
  80. John Surman: Tales Of The Algonquin
  81. Eberhard Weber: The Colours Of Chloë
  82. Steve Coleman & The Five Elements: The Tao Of Mad Phat: Fringe Zones
  83. Diana Krall: Love Scenes
  84. Anthony Braxton: For Alto
  85. Krzystof Komeda: Polskie Nagrania Muza
  86. Steps Ahead: Steps Ahead
  87. Django Reinhardt: Rétrospective 1934-53
  88. Joe Harriott-John Mayer Double Quintet: Indo-Jazz Suite
  89. Jackie McLean: Let freedom Ring
  90. Charlie Haden: Liberation Music Orchestra
  91. Music Improvisation Company: Music Improvisation Company
  92. Sarah Vaughan: Sarah Vaughan
  93. Jan Johanssen: Jazz Pa Svenska
  94. Cassandra Wilson: Blue Light ‘Til Dawn
  95. Wynton Marsalis: Black Codes For The Underground
  96. Medeski Martin & Wood: Combustication
  97. Tomasz Stanko: Soul Of Things
  98. Courtney Pine: Journey To The Urge Within
  99. The Bad Plus: These Are The Vistas
  100. Polar Bear: Held By The Tips Of Fingers

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:51
I own 30 of the albums listed, including numbers 1-12 inclusive. My own personal top 100 would include more electric Miles, Mingus, Monk, Coltrane, Dolphy, Montgomery, Mahavishnu, Return To Forever, Weather Report, and Bill Frisell, as well as albums like Shakti's A Handful Of Beauty and Joe Pass's Virtuoso.  But that's just me.
 
The single absolutely unacceptable omission, however, is the lack of inclusion of anything by guitarist Lenny Breau. For shame.
 
For any newcomers to jazz though, I'd highly recommend any of the top 12, and for prog fans especially, Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:53
Originally posted by arnold stirrup arnold stirrup wrote:

I own 30 of the albums listed, including numbers 1-12 inclusive. My own personal top 100 would include more electric Miles, Mingus, Monk, Coltrane, Dolphy, Montgomery, Mahavishnu, Return To Forever, Weather Report, and Bill Frisell, as well as albums like Shakti's A Handful Of Beauty and Joe Pass's Virtuoso.  But that's just me.
 
The single absolutely unacceptable omission, however, is the lack of inclusion of anything by guitarist Lenny Breau. For shame.
 
For any newcomers to jazz though, I'd highly recommend any of the top 12, and for prog fans especially, Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch.



must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review?  Would be appreciated hahah.  Thanks for the recommend.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review?  Would be appreciated hahah.  Thanks for the recommend.
 
OK, I'll give it a shot:
 
Avant-garde jazz with rhythmic complexity, odd time signatures, and eerily dissonant harmonies sometimes bordering on atonality. 
 
Yet also strangely beautiful, melodic, and playful, with beautiful timbres created by all 5 musicians, but especially vibist Bobby Hutcherson, drummer Tony Williams, and Dolphy himself on bass clarinet and flute. Amazing interplay and freedom among the musicians as well.
 
Demands repeated listening, and stands the test of time with amazing revelations and rewards to those willing to put forth the effort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 08:03
Originally posted by arnold stirrup arnold stirrup wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review?  Would be appreciated hahah.  Thanks for the recommend.
 
OK, I'll give it a shot:
 
Avant-garde jazz with rhythmic complexity, odd time signatures, and eerily dissonant harmonies sometimes bordering on atonality. 
 
Yet also strangely beautiful, melodic, and playful, with beautiful timbres created by all 5 musicians, but especially vibist Bobby Hutcherson, drummer Tony Williams, and Dolphy himself on bass clarinet and flute. Amazing interplay and freedom among the musicians as well.
 
Demands repeated listening, and stands the test of time with amazing revelations and rewards to those willing to put forth the effort.



I thought this thread might get moved....


Arnold... thanks a ton..... Tony Williams you say?.... say no more.... I'll keep my eyes out for this, and put it in my ....notebook hahah... of must have albums. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 12:21
I knew it would be just a short matter of time before this excellent thread was relegated to the obscure "everything else" bin.
 
Anyway, another disc that would be impossible to leave off is Egberto Gismonti's Sanfona, a double effort that features one disc of a quartet performance (guitar/piano, bass, reeds, percussion), and another of EG solo. Kind of like a Brazilian classical/folk rooted music meets jazz thing. For those not familiar with the Brazilian composer Gismonti, he is equally astonishing on both acoustic guitar and piano.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:47

Heavy Weather at no. 20?  Probably 'cause of its popularity but there are MUCH better Weather Report records....their first five for example.  I love Jaco just as much as the next guy, but give the early band its due!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2006 at 09:17
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Heavy Weather at no. 20?  Probably 'cause of its popularity but there are MUCH better Weather Report records....their first five for example.  I love Jaco just as much as the next guy, but give the early band its due!

 
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And yet another essential top 100 choice: 
 
Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages
 
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