Dredg - El Cielo > King Crimson - ITCOTCK

Or so say the ratings...
 
Whereas King Crimson has a very rich, diverse sound, Dredg feels very tired and repetitive. I like them for about 2 songs, but then I get bored and have to find something else to listen to. Does anybody else feel this way? Am I the only one who doesn't get Dredg?

mccrank_yeahrig wrote:     Me neither, I think that Dredg and King Crimson cannot be compared, but it's just my opinion....

you can find similarities and differences between any two bands. I was merely noting that El Cielo is considered more of a masterpiece of art rock than In the Court... (although I doubt very many people would actually consider this the case).

Bryan wrote: More people have heard In the Court, thus more have been able to reach the conclusion that they don't like it as much and have been able to rate it lower.

I see it the other way around. More people have heard In the Court, thus more are able to reach the conclusion that it is a masterpiece!

Bryan wrote: There's absolutely no basis upon which to compare them whatsoever, though I personally would take El Cielo over In the Court any day, this is merely personal opinion.

Why is everyone so close minded to comparison? You can compare any 2 things. Bands don't have to sound the same to be compared. Watch:

I believe that King Crimson is better than Brittney Spears. While many of her fans would disagree with me, I find that manufacturing of 'hits' detracts from my ability to take interest in her music. While it may be ok to listen to once, when given more in depth attention and criticism, the music becomes stale and even annoying. On the other hand, the complexity of a band like King Crimson makes repeated listens more enjoyable with time.



Look mom, I made a comparison! And brittney spears is even more different from KC than Dredg. So don't say that you can't compare Dredg and KC. The fact that they both produce music is enough to form an opinion.




Edited by SolariS - September 03 2006 at 19:59

Ele Cielo is the second most overrated album on PA, Townsend's Syncestra being the first. 

El Cielo is a masterpiece and I might be a little biased since I just got ITCOTCK a few days ago. Both are deserving of high praise in my opinion.

I've seen dredg live, but don't own their albums, so I cannot really comment, but they were excellent live and I was very impressed.

However, ItCotCK was my first ream prog album, so it'll also be special to me.  Not only that, but it was one of the forerunners of the prog movement all together.

In time, I suspect El Cielo will drop down the rankings and something new will rise up, only to fall again.  That's how these things worth, generally.

Ratings only matter as much as you let them...

Asyte2c00 wrote:   To call something "Essential A Masterpiece of Progressive Music" is a bold statemnt, and suggests that any album that merits that description must be impeccable, regardless of  your preferences in prog musc or in genreal.  A masterpiece enatils, flawlessness, Grade A muscianship, overall its must be impeccable and enthralling.

Word.

Asyte2c00 wrote: chamberry wrote: Asyte2c00 wrote: Ele Cielo is the second most overrated album on PA, Townsend's Syncestra being the first.  Why? Because you don't like them?   To call something "Essential A Masterpiece of Progressive Music" is a bold statemnt, and suggests that any album that merits that description must be impeccable, regardless of  your preferences in prog musc or in genreal.  A masterpiece enatils, flawlessness, Grade A muscianship, overall its must be impeccable and enthralling.      For instance   Godbluff is a prime example poignant lyrcism and impeccable muscianship; the whole album consistent from begining to end and every song on the album is captivating.  Moreover, the album is emotioanlly charged, its not too long, not too short, not pretentious, not uneventful, it is, simply, put masterful.      Thus, you have the ingredients for a masterpiece of progressive music.    The more unfortunate fact, is that if the aforementioned citeria are necessary for a a msterpiece of progressive music why do many people unwittingly brand a particular album a masterpiece, if the album lacks one or more of the citeria mentioned above.    In the realm of prog, there are universal understandings

You have to remember that what you see as flawless other might not see it as so. For example I don't see Godbluff as a masterpice, but I find Pawn Hearts to be better than Godbluff because it follows my idea of what is a better album or a masterpiece.

Everyone has their own point of view on what a masterpiece is.

Tired and repetitive to you, not so tired and repetitive to me. I agree with Bryan on bot points that I like El Cielo more than ITCOTCK, and that popularity matters. Look at how many negative reviews ITCOFCK has and how many El Cielo has. Last time I checked there was one 3-star review and the rest were 4-5.  Don't forget that ITCHYCOCK is still #7 in the top 100 and first in art rock top 100 with its 365 ratings, and El Cielo is on 31 with 28 ratings most of which are fans. Not many enough people know Dredg to be able to rate then low, whoever knows them and takes time to review them are fans, simple as that.




Edited by The Miracle - September 04 2006 at 16:04