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    Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:21
Thats what I am talking about

Hemina and Haken could never warrant 1 star in my judgement.... and Anathema? 1 star is just wrong. Its clear manipulation of the top albums for that year.
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^ I think it's too early to say whether they are some classics.


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So do I, and I don't know those albums.  Hemina I've never even heard of, and it seems it's the band's first studio album from this year, so I wouldn't have thought you'd mean one so new. I thought you'd be talking about  Yes albums, but only one had a rating below 3, so your post confused me. 

To me a classic album is an album that has "stood the test of time" and is widely/ commonly recognised to be of the highest value and importance.  I don't like Close to the Edge much, but I definitely consider it to be a classic Prog.  album.  I suppose that some do use it to mean anything that they consider outstanding.  It's often a challenge with understanding what people mean because people use, abuse, and misuse terms in different ways.

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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush


Hemina and Haken could never warrant 1 star in my judgement.... and Anathema? 1 star is just wrong. Its clear manipulation of the top albums for that year.



I'd give that Haken album 2.5 (rounded down) at best.  Boring vanilla prog metal.

Just because you like something, doesn't mean it's a universal masterpiece


Edited by Triceratopsoil - April 24 2012 at 13:12

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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush


Hemina and Haken could never warrant 1 star in my judgement.... and Anathema? 1 star is just wrong. Its clear manipulation of the top albums for that year.



I'd give that Haken album 2.5 (rounded down) at best.  Boring vanilla prog metal.

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He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.
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it's been like a month now, and yes, the names of the false accounts that rated on the albums no longer show up when you click on "Show all reviews/ratings" now making it more difficult to know wich albums were manipulated, but the bottom line is that they're still there, and crappy albums are still showing high ratings and the manipulation continues and no real solutions have been found undermining the sites credibility... he won and he's still doing it.
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Originally posted by octopus-4

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=745716

He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.


As a review it sucks heinously, but he does at least talk about the music in the very last sentence. Once again we might both agree that this type of asinine and indolent dross does not contravene any review guidelines but makes PA look like a sanctuary for aging toddlers.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by octopus-4

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=745716

He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.


As a review it sucks heinously, but he does at least talk about the music in the very last sentence. Once again we might both agree that this type of asinine and indolent dross does not contravene any review guidelines but makes PA look like a sanctuary for aging toddlers.


Maybe the review guidelines should be changed.  Wink
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Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by octopus-4

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=745716

He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.


As a review it sucks heinously, but he does at least talk about the music in the very last sentence. Once again we might both agree that this type of asinine and indolent dross does not contravene any review guidelines but makes PA look like a sanctuary for aging toddlers.


Maybe the review guidelines should be changed.  Wink
  
Really hallucinating the arrogance of this guy RJN

Originally posted by RJN

I love they way that people at ProgArchives are so hesitant to give an album the full 5 star rating, the site itself even gives a type of warning when one wants to give the 5 star rating, could they be any more pretentious?

The same warning is given to people that want o rate the album with one star, it's just precaution of abusive manupulation

Originally posted by RJN

I say this because of all of the 4 star ratings that this masterpiece "Suffocating The Bloom" gets. It is like people want to give the 5 star but are afraid of what the prog police will think of them.

Couldn't it be that people believe it deserves 4 stars?

Who is this guy? A mentalist that knows what w think?

Originally posted by RJN

This album deserves 5 stars if ever an album did, it is wonderful, beautiful melodic prog , one of my all time favorites, and in my opinion the best album ever made by the best American prog band ever.

Ahhh it deserves 5 stars because it's one of his favorites.

What a pedant.

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Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by octopus-4

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=745716

He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.


As a review it sucks heinously, but he does at least talk about the music in the very last sentence. Once again we might both agree that this type of asinine and indolent dross does not contravene any review guidelines but makes PA look like a sanctuary for aging toddlers.


Maybe the review guidelines should be changed.  Wink


The guidelines were designed to allow complete freedom of expression within sensible limits that only preclude no-brainers like profanity, obscenity and plain vanilla erm...nastiness aforethought etc. We treat people like adults because we want them to reciprocate by behaving like adults. As soon as we start pulling in the reins as to what they can and cannot write in a review, the charges of dictatorial, inflexible, thought Police, bullies (and much worse) will be raining down on our Admin asses. Everyone suffers when the playground is brought indoorsOuch
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by octopus-4

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=745716

He can like it but why doesn't he tell us why ?

btw I don't know either the album or the band.


As a review it sucks heinously, but he does at least talk about the music in the very last sentence. Once again we might both agree that this type of asinine and indolent dross does not contravene any review guidelines but makes PA look like a sanctuary for aging toddlers.


Maybe the review guidelines should be changed.  Wink


The guidelines were designed to allow complete freedom of expression within sensible limits that only preclude no-brainers like profanity, obscenity and plain vanilla erm...nastiness aforethought etc. We treat people like adults because we want them to reciprocate by behaving like adults. As soon as we start pulling in the reins as to what they can and cannot write in a review, the charges of dictatorial, inflexible, thought Police, bullies (and much worse) will be raining down on our Admin asses. Everyone suffers when the playground is brought indoorsOuch


Here is rule #4:


4 - Write in an intelligent and considerate manner. Rude or insulting language (including blatant vulgarity) will not be tolerated! Show respect for other reviewers, readers, the artists, and the CD and song titles. Do not belittle reviews posted by others, their opinions are as welcome and valid as yours. It is generally best to avoid commenting on other reviews altogether.
The following are examples of phrases which should NOT appear in reviews:  "Reviewer Joe Smith is stupid for saying that...", "Anyone who doesn't like this album is an idiot", "The band which made this album is rubbish", etc.


Here is an excerpt from the review in question:


I love they way that people at ProgArchives are so hesitant to give an album the full 5 star rating, the site itself even gives a type of warning when one wants to give the 5 star rating, could they be any more pretentious?


This review does not review the album.  It is not an album review.  It is a review of other reviewers.  And, as much as I love Suffocating the Bloom (I'm one of the pretentious b*****ds that gave it only four stars, by the way), this is not a review, it is a silly accusation that should be deleted.


That he mentions something about the music in the last sentence is irrelevant: By that sense, he could have very well have written gibberish for the first 90 words, concluded with that statement and we would say "Oh well, it didn't break any guidelines."



By the way, the review guidelines should absolutely be reviewed, because some of the information is now false.



Weighting of star ratings
All reviewers should note that the following values are given to star ratings when calculating averages, top 100 charts etc.:

  • Ratings without reviews (any review with less than 200 characters, i.e. letters, is considered to be a rating without a review) are given a value of 1.
  • Reviews (of more than 200 characters) are given a value of 5, or five times that of a rating without review.
  • Reviews by Prog Reviewers and Special Collaborators are given a value of 10, or ten times that of a rating without a review.


The weight is now 1, 10, and 20, respectively.
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^ I don't agree that it's a review of other reviewers Rob, far from it. The guy clearly has a beef about our pop up box containing the caveat re using 5 star album status sensibly and thinks this is a control mechanism of sorts. Neither of us is silly enough to agree with this line of reasoning and neither of us is silly enough to waste this amount of keystrokes on what is clearly a crap review deserving of no more of anyone's attention.

Yes, you are right, the star weighting needs to be updated and I'll attend to this asap.


Edited by ExittheLemming - April 28 2012 at 23:46
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Originally posted by Epignosis

Here is an excerpt from the review in question:


I love they way that people at ProgArchives are so hesitant to give an album the full 5 star rating, the site itself even gives a type of warning when one wants to give the 5 star rating, could they be any more pretentious?


Wow, so now it's pretentious to give careful thought to a Perfect Score.   Incredible, it just shows we must be doing something right.   What a hump.
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As for now this review is sitting on the main page, and makes you wonder ' What's with this guy??'

Suffocating The Bloom
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5 stars I love they way that people at ProgArchives are so hesitant to give an album the full 5 star rating, the site itself even gives a type of warning when one wants to give the 5 star rating, could they be any more pretentious?

I say this because of all of the 4 star ratings that this masterpiece "Suffocating The Bloom" gets. It is like people want to give the 5 star but are afraid of what the prog police will think of them.

This album deserves 5 stars if ever an album did, it is wonderful, beautiful melodic prog , one of my all time favorites, and in my opinion the best album ever made by the best American prog band ever.

LOL Nice first review, it's going to be a long and fruitful reviewing career! I can't wait for the second one! LOL
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Sorry i didn't notice Epignosis had already commented on that review.Thumbs Up
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Please keep this thread for reporting reviews. Smile The "PA demographic has different tastes than those of generalist websites"  discussion can be found here.
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This is not a review but a message from one person to another
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Originally posted by timothy leary

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=728726

This is not a review but a message from one person to another


Yep, it reads like some customer service feedback for a downloadable version (and doesn't even attempt to review the album)
Guess they should have submitted a rating only review and PM'd the reviewer (OneOpinion who submitted a rating only review and has never posted on the forums)

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