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Kati
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In regards to illegal music download, I do not use nor make use of any of those sites. However due to the internet and social network a lot is shared, sometimes most beneficial to the artist, however just in case I must add: "If someday we all go to prison for downloading music, I just hope they split us by music genre
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aapatsos
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octopus-4
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I understand the worries, but I don't see a diffrence between the two cases above. One thing is legal or is not and in both the cases it's a reviewer's responsibility. I think the site has demonstrated alot of tine that we don't encourage illegal downloads. Should anybody do it in a review or in a post, I think will trigger the admins, as well as ecouraging the use of drugs or any other illegal activity. (I'd like it to be legal, but it's another story). |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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I agree! If the album is up early it invites reviews. I think all the reviewers that are not Collabs are quite ordinary for the new Yes album. Giving it one and 2 stars after one listen doesnt seem fair to the artist. Its not available even on Spotify yet but I suspect will be on release. Best to adhere to the guidelines if it aint out yet n tolerance to any reviews, unless promo copies available. i get lots of promos for artists albums well ahead of release date... but Yes havent sent any from those sources as of yet.
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Argonaught
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May be not "encouraging" (no evidence that PA prompted anyone to make an illegal download), but "implicitly condoning" could be a possibility. if I were PA, I'd just not enable any reviews and ratings until the official release date + 2-3 days of "thinking and cool-off time". Another idea would be to automatically remove all 1-star reviews, left by the persons who have less than 5-10 reviews published. This way the public will know that the reviewer is not just running their one-man crusade against a certain album or band. I think there was a discussion in the past about some people creating an account for the sole purpose of "venting" about a certain band they didn't like, so they went to all their albums and gave all of them one star rating. If you hate this band so much, why do you even buy their music??? Can't follow some people's thought patterns. |
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Dean
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Generally the flag will only go up when a Collaborator posts a pre-release review without stating where he obtained the preview copy. With non-collabs the Admins can simply remove the review and/or send a warning and that is their right to do that. Without question. No ifs, not buts. The Admins cannot give official site representatives the benefit of doubt - in every case they will be asked to reveal where their review copy came from, just as Conor was.
Each and every Collaborator is regarded as a representative of the site and therefore has a responsibility to protect the integrity of the site AT ALL TIMES. If a Collaborator cannot handle this responsibility or is unwilling to publicly state where their review copies come from when asked then they should step down. If you wear a Collaborator tag then wear it with pride and respect the judgement of the appointed Admins. Calling them bullies on an open forum is not acceptable - if you've got a beef with how this site is managed then take it to the CZ. |
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ExittheLemming
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^ You can't absolve the members by 'delegating upwards' - the Admins cannot be reasonably expected to read every review and every post on PA. (Currently there are but three of the critters) Where the crux lies is in your statement : I think the site has demonstrated a lot of the time that we don't encourage illegal downloads. If that is demonstrably true then fine but if it's not then as Ivan states, we could lay ourselves open to problems. To make your statement credible we have to ensure that both 'ratings only' reviews and written reviews that fail to disclose the source of their copy published prior to release dates are deleted. |
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ExittheLemming
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You are PA, we all are (subject to the limitations imposed by the database software provided by the owner Max of course) Such a suggestion is not without merit, but from memory (an old man's alas) I think it would require implementation and monitoring by the site owner to make it work. Oh yes, now I remember, there is a rather vague presumption that we believe the members will not behave like complete dicks when an eagerly awaited album comes around (it's in the small print somewhere, dunno) Edited by ExittheLemming - July 07 2014 at 07:33 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Of course aapatsos, said it in my first post. In my case I have received a lot of albums before it's release: - In some cases I proceed to review them immediately but I clearly post "I received this album from (name of the band member who sent it)" or "From the label" or whoever sent it. - In some cases I prefer to wait like with sensible artists:
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Second Life Syndrome
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Would it at least be possible to add something like "If this review is being written before the official release of the album, be sure to include a comment on your source for the music"? You could add it to the list of stuff that must be checked before you can submit a review. I have no problem with this rule, but I think it should be made a rule instead of simply deciding to delete reviews that don't adhere to some unwritten rule. It can't be that hard to add it. Anyways, Dean, "bully" isn't so bad. You've called me far worse
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Dean
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You are far worse.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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You don't need a rule, just common sense and showing you care for the site enough to avoid problems. Iván
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Second Life Syndrome
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What about new people? Thanks, Dean. Coming from you, that's a compliment. Someone's got to keep you old guys in the current century.
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Dean
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Clue: it's not a compliment.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Well, common sense applieS to young and older people. We can't make a penal code for everything, the rules are clear NO ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES We can't guess if anybody has a legally released album before reviewing it, but we can delete the reviews of non released albums if we have reasons to believe it has been obtained by illegal methods. Iván
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ExittheLemming
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If we thought our members were dumb enough to require such a disclaimer before allowing them to submit a review, we would be bullies. |
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Barbu
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Everybody knows that the music biz don't give a f%$k about music, that's how it goes, everybody knows. |
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Second Life Syndrome
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I love that Dean can be a total jerk while at the same time telling me I'm being one. Irony. CLUE: I AM a collab, so to call me names is breaking your own rule. Good thing his opinion means absolutely nothing to me. I hope that this conversation is over, as most everyone seems to think that it was about illegal activity, even though it had nothing to do with that. I'm out.
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Barbu
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^ Don't be too hard on him, he's quite old, you know.
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Kati
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Dean my fav grumpy and Ivan one of my ultimate fav collabs ever, both so honest and at times cannot seem to agree with each other hahaha this is fun to watch read hihihihi ok back to topic, different views, however none of them compromise nor do they work or are in any way related to the likes of rolling stone magazine and other prog/rock magazines, nothing has nor will influence them and their views, they both work hard here and only for the love of music, this site is very fair also due to both of them, (many collabs are grumpy, but once you realize they are sweet, you'll love them) their honestly at times might not be appreciated but they are so fair and to me I think they are true and most awesome! Really! Thanks to them ProgArchives gives a fair chance to prog music beyond the music industry and corporate suits, once you get over their sincere, honest wit you really appreciate them even more!
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