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Snow Dog
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Topic: Reviews reporting threadPosted: July 20 2012 at 09:24 |
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^I like your review.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 09:33 |
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Alright, I'm trying to do better. Remember, I've only been writing these for a little over a month.
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Sheavy
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 11:51 |
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You really gotta stop going into this.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 11:58 |
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A lot of my reviews were ones I originally wrote for my music blog, then posted on PA in order to share my thoughts with people who would otherwise not see them. I never realized that would be a problem, but if this is the policy of the site, it makes me less likely to review in the future. I would have thought the goal would be having as many reviews as possible in order to best serve people trying to determine whether they will like a particular album, not to amass intellectual property and prevent it from being seen elsewhere. |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:28 |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:34 |
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Personally, I thought your review was a pretty creative approach. I'm not sure I'd extract a "one star" value out of it, but that's your choice. |
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Dean
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:41 |
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To my knowledge we've never enforced any exclusivity on any reviews published here, nor have we ever taken down a review that was published elsewhere unless a direct accusation of plagiarism was made against it (and found to be true). To date no other site has objected about a review being cross-posted on this site.
However, since PA and MMA are sister sites it seems wrong to me to spam the same review on both sites - that is unecessary and seems to serve no other purpose but to purely to bump up the reviewers review count.
Personally I would prefer some degree of diferentiation between a review published on a Metal site to one published on this (or any other Progressive Rock) site even for the same album as reviewed by the same person. For example should I ever be motivated to write a review for My Dying Bride's For Lies I Sire for MMA it would get a different review and rating as a Doom Metal album than I would give it here as a Tech/Extreme Prog Metal album because here the review should be biased towards what makes it a good/bad/indifferent Tech/Extreme Prog Metal album rather than what makes it a good/bad/indifferent Doom Metal album. Just as if you read the reviews on Planet Mellotron they all have a bias towards albums that use the mellotron and they rate them accordingly.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:43 |
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I've seen other reviews where the authors have mentioned the review being posted elsewhere, and I've never heard of there being a problem with that. I really don't see a reason why this one should be singled out when the practice has been allowed for this long. Dean already said that there was nothing intrinsically wrong with it, and it's not "self-promotion," either, it's taking something you wrote for another site and sharing it with this one.
I love motW, but I thought the review was quite humorous and enjoyed it.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:47 |
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Some people on PA (like me) rarely visit MMA, and some people on MMA rarely visit PA. So if you want the review to be read, it makes sense to post it in both places. I see no way in which that qualifies as "spam." I prefer to evaluate albums based upon their own merit, rather than their relation to a particular genre, so if I published a review on a metal site it would be almost the same as a review for the same album on a prog site. That's a matter of the individual reviewer's preference, but you can't judge others for taking a different approach than the one you advocate.
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Dean
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:17 |
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I didn't call it spam - I called the act of cross-posting as spamming
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:26 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 18:36 |
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I'm only quoting the rights applicable to materials posted on this site for our member's information. The implementation of those rights is at the discretion of the site owner but NOT the avowed goal of the site and no-one has ever stated as much. I'm therefore puzzled and disappointed as to why you have jumped to such a conclusion? ![]() Like Dean has said, we are not in the habit of removing reviews because they also appear on other sites. That would be counter productive to encouraging reviews and I like to think everyone else understands that. To the letter of the law the site owner COULD attempt to prevent publication elsewhere but in reality this would be both impractical and difficult to enforce plus it would be detrimental to PA's aim of being |
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JS19
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 03:31 |
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I only mentioned it because it had the potential to be a contraversial review, not because it's a bad one. Not at all, it's a fantastic bit of prose and excellently written. Just the extreme low rating (which is fine if you actually just hated the music) and the way in which your points were made were a bit confusing to the average reader. They might have more than a little trouble finding the review inside the story that's all. If the consensus is that the review, and the style of the review is legitimate then great. It's one of the best ways of tackling a review I've seen thus far on this site.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 06:02 |
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^have to admit, one star is a bit harsh. Seems like a reaction rating.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 07:29 |
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Fair enough - but why isn't this discussion being had over the fact that there are so many 5 star ratings for this album? Is this strange piece of weirdness REALLY a necessary piece of EVERY Prog lover's collection? Or is it something that more adventurous people should try out and those just getting into Prog should stay away from until they've become more acquainted? Maybe the PA admins should start telling people all over the site that their ratings are inappropriate? ![]() (I'm not serious.) |
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Dean
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 07:45 |
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(I'm moderately serious)
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 08:19 |
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My 1 star was based primarily on the fact that I did not enjoy the album (I was creeped out by it) and will probably never listen to it again, and as such I would want my readers to see a negative reaction. A neutral 3 star just would not cut it for me in this case. |
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Dean
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 08:33 |
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 12:36 |
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Some pre-release ratings-only for the new Beardfish album that isn't being released until August 28th.
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Jazz-rock conspiracy? Zappa and Miles played at the same festivals in the summer of '69 right BEFORE Hot Rats AND Bitches Brew were recorded. |
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 15:50 |
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