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Asyte2c00
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:48 |
High Tide, MC5 (more punk)
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:48 |
Arrrghus, read my post carefully, I said "while their 80´s output was more straight forward metal." British Steel was released in 1980.
Edited by WaywardSon - October 05 2006 at 17:51
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Tony R
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:06 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Arrrghus, read my post carefully, I said "while their 80´s output was more straight forward metal." British Steel was released in 1980. | Judas Priest were about as progressive as Twisted Sister.... ...saw 'em on The Green Manilishi Tour or whatever it was called in 1979..Unleashed In The East-era..
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:34 |
What about Sad wings of destiny and Sin after sin?
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Tony R
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:39 |
WaywardSon wrote:
What about Sad wings of destiny and Sin after sin? | you tell me....
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Cristi
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:49 |
We're not discussing the progressiveness of Judas Priest here. Judas Priest is one of the best heavy metal bands ever, that's all.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:53 |
I suddenly feel very old and tired....
Edited by WaywardSon - October 05 2006 at 18:54
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Tony R
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 18:54 |
Cristi wrote:
We're not discussing the progressiveness of Judas Priest here. | WaywardSon is,he started it,so dont get on to me...
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 19:00 |
Cristi, I said Black Sabbath in my first post.
They were the orginal pioneers of metal.
Priest and Maiden were the bands who had a direct influence on Prog
Metal.
Edited by WaywardSon - October 05 2006 at 19:01
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Cristi
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 19:06 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Cristi, I said Black Sabbath in my first post.
They were the orginal pioneers of metal.
Priest and Maiden were the bands who had a direct influence on Prog
Metal.
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I agree. Though I wouldn't consider Judas priest (not even) prog-related. Maiden deserves this category. IMHO.
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the icon of sin
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 12:12 |
The Whistler wrote:
Didn't Led Zep start with the heavy stuff first? |
Zep's first 2 albums were relased before Sabbath's first, and although it had some heavy stuff like "How Many More Times" "Whole Lotta Love" and "Heartbreaker", none of the tracks could be called Metal. The blues influence was there in abundance, as it was on all of Sabbath's 1st album except the title track, which I believe to be the first song with a defining Metal sound.
Edited by the icon of sin - October 14 2006 at 12:13
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Minimalist777
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Posted: October 15 2006 at 10:57 |
Iron Butterfly anyone? The song In A Gadda Da Vida seems to be extremely heavy compared to whatever else was being put out in 1967. What about Cream for that matter? a heavy influence on the doom genre. Zepplin was certainly a great band, but I think their influence on metal is overrated, though they do have some influence. Sabbath, Motorhead, Deep Purple, Blue Cheer and the aforementioned Cream probably have the most to do with shaping modern metal.
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WWOSD? What Would OliverStoned Do?
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 15 2006 at 22:36 |
"..the most influential in the *creation* of heavy metal", not the first real metal band, which was Sabbath. If I read Cristi's 'proto-metal' question right, it absolutely is Led Zeppelin...'Communication Breakdown', nuff said.
Edited by Atavachron - October 15 2006 at 22:39
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 16 2006 at 17:34 |
Chuck Berry - without whom no AC/DC, etc. The Kinks - practically invented the riff Blue Cheer - It goes up to 11 Yardbirds/Cream - the riffs get heavier and the solos longer. Pink Floyd - and I obviously don't mean the whimsical stuff, I mean "Astronomy Domine" and "Interstellar Overdrive" - like out of focus metal. Then there's the Beatles, of course - the chunking riff on the title track of "Sgt Pepper", which Hendrix immediately pounced upon, and "Helter Skelter". Hendrix himself, of course, inspired many metal guitarists - but few sounded anything like him except in their dreams, and most only borrowed the few ideas they could mimic. Spooky Tooth (specifically, "Spooky Two") - The cradle is here. The root of Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, you name them, they all owe homage to this LP - and it predates High Tide, Bakerloo, May Blitz, Budgie, Atomic Rooster et al. Motorhead invented their own style of heavy metal, but sadly it didn't catch on until Metallica released "Kill 'Em All". Mind you, they owed an obvious debt to Lemmy's time in Hawkwind, and Lemmy's influences - the MC5, the Groundhogs and Chuck Berry. Before Hawkwind, there was the mighty Twink, the Aquarian Age, Tomorrow and the Deviants (all linked by Twink) - the continuation of Space Rock from Pink Floyd's seeds.
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