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    Posted: October 27 2006 at 12:41

MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA "Visions Of The Emerald Beyond " ratings distribution

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Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (52% = 12 entries) 

Excellent addition to any prog music collection (22% = 5 entries)

Good, but non-essential (17% = 4 entries)

Collectors/fans only (4% = 1 entry)

Poor. Only for completionists (4% = 1 entry)

 

Rating = 3.97 STARS??????????

These weighted averages are a JOKE.   V.O.T.E.B. is one of the greatest albums of the 70's and because 3 "experts" LOL give it 3 stars, it gets dragged down.

 

 

 
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Points: 401 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 12:43
I agree. Why fusion is even on this site, I'll never understand. I pine for the good old days...


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Points: 103 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 14:18
Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

I agree.
 
You agree that "Visions Of The Emerald Beyond" is one of the greatest albums of the 70's...
 
Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

Why fusion is even on this site, I'll never understand. I pine for the good old days...
 
...but you don't understand why fusion is even on this site?
 
 
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 14:28
Of course the converse view says that a number of people who have not supported their ratings with reviews are dragging it UP!
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Points: 1655 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 14:32
lol Bob


don't even start with me on how badly some things are reviewed, it's never going to be perfect,
back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 15:33
Sometimes things don't happen completely matematically. Or at least I think so. I remember rating an album with only 1 rating till then (no review), 4 stars. Upon my long (Wink) review, plus the rating (2 stars mine), the overall wasn't 3 stars, but 2.5 stars.
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Points: 19943 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 15:35
Originally posted by Rutgers Joe Rutgers Joe wrote:

MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA "Visions Of The Emerald Beyond " ratings distribution

(23 entries)

Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (52% = 12 entries) 

Excellent addition to any prog music collection (22% = 5 entries)

Good, but non-essential (17% = 4 entries)

Collectors/fans only (4% = 1 entry)

Poor. Only for completionists (4% = 1 entry)

 

Rating = 3.97 STARS??????????

These weighted averages are a JOKE.   V.O.T.E.B. is one of the greatest albums of the 70's and because 3 "experts" LOL give it 3 stars, it gets dragged down.

 

 

 


So what you're saying is people aren't allowed to have a different opinion to you?
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Points: 103 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 09:38
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

So what you're saying is people aren't allowed to have a different opinion to you?
 
ConfusedLOLConfusedLOL
 
No ...what I'm saying is...if 12 out of 23 ratings are 5 stars... and 5 out of the 23 ratings are 4 stars...then only an f'd up sytem could produce an overall rating of less than 4 stars...since only 6 ratings are less than 4 stars.
 
So (follow me closley) what I'm saying is..."the system is f'd up."


Edited by Rutgers Joe - November 08 2006 at 09:39
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Well I'm surprised it got that, to be honest. I haven't heard this for a few years but I didn't like this anywhere near as much as 'Inner Mountain Flame', 'Birds Of Fire' or even some of their solo albums. The funk (that whole 'let me fulfil my love' stuff) had began to set in- not a good idea, imo.
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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Well I'm surprised it got that, to be honest. I haven't heard this for a few years but I didn't like this anywhere near as much as 'Inner Mountain Flame', 'Birds Of Fire' or even some of their solo albums. The funk (that whole 'let me fulfil my love' stuff) had began to set in- not a good idea, imo.
 
Exactly !!!Clap
 
The second Mahavishnu line-up does not even come to the waist of the first line-up (in terms of studio albums anyway). And please  do not be fooled by the artwork llinking it to BOF. VOTEB is rather listeless funk-jazz/fusion rather than the red-hot bunring jazz rock of IMF or BOF.
 
 
3.97 is 4 anyway. Which VOTEB does not deserve (IMHO)
 
But I will admit that this example of weighed average is a bit disturbing because obviously most or all of the five stars are unwritten (just two and non-PRs) and only three of the four stars are written (of which two arte PRs)
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Points: 20522 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:14
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Sometimes things don't happen completely matematically. Or at least I think so. I remember rating an album with only 1 rating till then (no review), 4 stars. Upon my long (Wink) review, plus the rating (2 stars mine), the overall wasn't 3 stars, but 2.5 stars.


That's because ratings are weighted - ratings without reviews carry less weight than those with a review.Smile
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 17:12
Its the only Mahavishnu album I onw, but I have heard Inner mountain flame...and I dont consider it a great album.
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Points: 19943 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 17:19
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Rutgers Joe Rutgers Joe wrote:

MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA "Visions Of The Emerald Beyond " ratings distribution

(23 entries)

Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (52% = 12 entries) 

Excellent addition to any prog music collection (22% = 5 entries)

Good, but non-essential (17% = 4 entries)

Collectors/fans only (4% = 1 entry)

Poor. Only for completionists (4% = 1 entry)

 

Rating = 3.97 STARS??????????

These weighted averages are a JOKE.   V.O.T.E.B. is one of the greatest albums of the 70's and because 3 "experts" LOL give it 3 stars, it gets dragged down.


So what you're saying is people aren't allowed to have a different opinion to you?

The fact that you put "experts" in quotes suggests that people who gave it 3 stars don't know what they're talking about. I suspect the fact that it has a rating of less than 4 is due to the fact that collaborators and members reviews get rated higher. This is borne out by the fact that well-respected members such as Sean Trane and VibrationBaby gave it 3 stars and only 2 of the people who gave it 5 stars have backed up this rating with a review.


Edited by chopper - November 08 2006 at 17:22
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 22:53
Since when is 4 stars (or 3.97) anything less than a great rating?  

By definition, a four star album is an "excellent addtion to any prog music collection." 

You are absolutely out of your mind if you think that everyone thinks this album is a masterpiece, and you are even more out of your mind if you think this album is essential to any prog collection, because a great deal of prog collections don't contain jazz fusion. 

DallasBrian is crying right now. 


Edited by rileydog22 - November 08 2006 at 22:54

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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:25
I should probably write a heck of a review for this album and rate it 4... this way overall ratings will be justified Wink... (damn, I have to write a sack of Can and Ash Ra Tempel reviews before plunging into it!!!)
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