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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:57
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

But check him out in Floyd's Pompei film before saying he was their worst musician.


Let's just say he's the less best WinkLOL

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In fact Mason said in a interview before the Live8 that the band would only play slow songs at that gig because he couldn't handle the faster ones anymore because of his age.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by jalas jalas wrote:

After watching Nick Mason in the Live 8 performance and the fact that he had a percussionist for the Pulse and the Delicate sound of thunder tours, I have come to the conclusion that he has lost it.  I feel really bad for him being the worst musician in Pink Floyd.  He has contributed a lot. His style is very unique and the music would not have been the same without him and I wish he wouldn't lose it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that he can't drum anymore.  Does anybody agree?Cry
 
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Points: 2661 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:19
I haven't noticed his drumming is rusty, his drumming on "Money" is excellent IMO.
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Points: 2099 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:36
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Obviously the man is a bit rusty since before Live 8, his last tour was with Floyd some 8 or 9 years before.
 
and I hardly think Waters would've toured with him (outside legitimacy reasons) with a drummer that would not drum correctly.
 
 
But check him out in Floyd's Pompei film before saying he was their worst musician.
 
You beat me to it, yeah, I thought the same thing about Mason as muscian, evn in his prime 60s and 70s, my friends told me just watch Live at Pompieii and it will change you mind. 
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Drumming is very demanding, at least physically, and if you don't train everyday like Carl Palmer does  by jogging and exercing on machines and on floor, you certainly not able to keep on the beat like in your youth.
 
Carl understood this, and he keeps on training to be able to perform night after night like he did this year. He is still good , mixing subtle and powerfull drumming, with speed.
 
With Asia or anyother group, Carl Palmer does not need another drummer with him to keep on the beat, au contraire...
 
About Mason,if  he did not perform enough and if he does not train on a regular bases( racing car is probably not enough in his case), it's not surprising that he slowed down. It was inevitable in that circumtances.
 
    
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I think his drumming ability went down after Animals and got worse on each following Pink Floyd album. The drumming is so simple on The Division Bell that it turns me away from that album. He did have some fantastic drumming on Money and The Great Gig In The Sky to name a couple of songs.
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Points: 207 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:53
Originally posted by Revan Revan wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

But check him out in Floyd's Pompei film before saying he was their worst musician.


Let's just say he's the less best WinkLOL

Right. He might be the worst musician in Floyd, but that certainly does not mean that he is bad.

I don't know how relevent this is, but I always thought he did his best drumming on Piper and it went down a bit with time. Despite doing well on some fast on a few songs on there, like Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk, he tends to better with slower songs. His drumming is rather mellow, and can be very nice in songs like Pow R. Toc H. and the opening to Time. It seems to be that he focuses his drumming on timing rather than momentum and pace.
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 19:50
Same goes for White, I dont know if he has gotten worst, but he just doesnt do much anymore. Relayer showed that he could handle the drums in Yes, but the last albums dont show much more than the following of the beat, and live is no big exception either... and I think he still can pull it off, but I dont know, he has gotten... just averageConfused
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 20:51
funny, too, that Mason is the only member of PF to be on every album they recorded
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

funny, too, that Mason is the only member of PF to be on every album they recorded

    


Good point!
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 22:17
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

He's old. Simple as that.
 
The fact that he has played on so many classic records, from Piper at the Gates of Dawn to Dark Side of the Moon to Animals makes him a great drummer. Same case as Ringo. It's not always about technical skill. Sometimes it's about just playing for the song.
 
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Points: 19597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 03:48
He was the perfect drummer for Floyd, which was not about tricky time sigs anyway.
 
 
Collins admitted he'd be incapable of playing some of those tricker tracks (I think he meant Apocalypse in 9/8)
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Ginger Baker, Steve Smith, Buddy Rich, Joe Morello.....
 
Are you really sure about Ginger Baker? (wouldn't have a clue about the others..will have to trust you on those)
 
He looks good in the Cream reunion DVD and you should check out some of his jazz albums over the last decade - and who he attracts to play with him.  BTW I edited out the latter two drummers - realising they were irrelevant to the thread, but discovered it was after your reply.
 
Steve Smith: his first album was Jean Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean, then a series of albums for the AOR Journey, and a host of albums as the mainstay of Tone Center Records jazz rock recordings - for instance check out his fusion band Vital Information, some excellent work with a revitalised Larry Coryell (and Tom Coster), three excellent albums with Stu Hamm and Frank Gambale, etc..


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Points: 1594 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 06:28
David Gilmour has had a second guitarist for many years and is famous for playing emotion-filled (but technically simple) solos. Using the same argument that's been used against Nick Mason, does that make Gilmour a rubbish guitarist?
 
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Points: 2809 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 07:30
Has anyone heard his solo album "Fictitious Sports"? I used to think Taal were fairly original, but then I listened to that album and I could see were they got it from: some of the songs on Mr. Green are very similar to those in his album.
 
Still not sure of his value as a drummer, thoug...
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by jalas jalas wrote:

After watching Nick Mason in the Live 8 performance and the fact that he had a percussionist for the Pulse and the Delicate sound of thunder tours, I have come to the conclusion that he has lost it.  I feel really bad for him being the worst musician in Pink Floyd.  He has contributed a lot. His style is very unique and the music would not have been the same without him and I wish he wouldn't lose it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that he can't drum anymore.  Does anybody agree?Cry
 
Ermm Name me one rock drummer who has got better as he got older?


Phil Collins, DOH!
Ringo Starr, DOH!!
Roger Taylor, DOH!!!
Paul Cook, DOH!!!! (plus SLAP!!!)
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Points: 147 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:49
It's nonsense to say NM is the worst musician in Pink Floyd...because Waters obviously takes the cake! Sorry I couldn't help myself. Seriously though, Waters is the worst bass player I've ever heard in a band that big. By the way, I'm not saying anything about his songwriting ability, only is bass skills.
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Originally posted by Goldenavatar Goldenavatar wrote:

It's nonsense to say NM is the worst musician in Pink Floyd...because Waters obviously takes the cake! Sorry I couldn't help myself. Seriously though, Waters is the worst bass player I've ever heard in a band that big. By the way, I'm not saying anything about his songwriting ability, only is bass skills.
 
Yes. Waters is a very good lyricist, but as a singer and as bassist he is not very good. He couldn`t sing very well in "Live 8". In that concert he shared lead vocals with Gilmour in "Wish You Were Here" and he couldn`t sing well the song. Gilmour still can sing. Waters himself said (at the time  of the "Wish You Were Here" album) that he was insecure about singing, so that was why they asked Roy Harper to sing "Have a Cigar". He also said that Gilmour was better than him as singer in Pink Floyd.
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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:01
Well, there are two facts:

- Drumming overall style changed from seventies to nineties. You can guess most of the time that an album is from nineties just hearing the drumming style;
- Many musicians can't keep the vitality when 60 or older. Of course there are exceptions, but mainly in drumming that is very demanding. Of course there are exceptions, like Ed Cassidy who is 83 and is still performing, but old drummers are not common.
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