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jalas
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Topic: Nick Mason Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:42 |
After watching Nick Mason in the Live 8 performance and the fact that he had a percussionist for the Pulse and the Delicate sound of thunder tours, I have come to the conclusion that he has lost it. I feel really bad for him being the worst musician in Pink Floyd. He has contributed a lot. His style is very unique and the music would not have been the same without him and I wish he wouldn't lose it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that he can't drum anymore. Does anybody agree?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:50 |
Obviously the man is a bit rusty since before Live 8, his last tour was with Floyd some 8 or 9 years before.
and I hardly think Waters would've toured with him (outside legitimacy reasons) with a drummer that would not drum correctly.
But check him out in Floyd's Pompei film before saying he was their worst musician.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:50 |
Well, I saw him perform with Roger Waters at Madison Square Garden and do all of DSOTM, granted, there were 2 drummers on stage, but he seemed fine to me
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Chris S
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:51 |
Thanks for sharing those wise words!!!
Please all Mason needs is some live gigs and rehearsals, sadly not going to happen. He races a mean car or two though. To say he has lost it is laughable
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jalas
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:55 |
Oh yes, Pompeii does show Mason when He was good, but As a drummer, I would say that his drumming is very simple. That's what I like about his drumming. He doesn't show off and he lets the other guys play. In "one of these day", count the mistakes. He sure can save himself though. But now-a-days, the other three can still play while Mason doesn't even do fills anymore.
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:18 |
It sure is sad when a musician looses it... the best (worst) example is my ideol Jimmt Page, in the ´70 he was the god in the axe...now a days he just lost it completly...what a shame
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:12 |
Didn't they have two drummers on The Wall tour as well?
As for Mason, I've never been a huge fan of his drumming. I liken him to, say, Don Henley of the Eagles. A very capable drummer, but nothing more. E |
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Heptade
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:23 |
I feel that poor Nick has always been underrated and unfairly criticized. He's a creative drummer, not exactly Buddy Rich or Bill Bruford, but certainly much better than average.
As for losing it, a lot of drummers that age seem to feel they need help...Graeme Edge is another that has had an extra percussion helper for quite a long time. Maybe they should do some yoga or something, since there's no reason why a fit 50-60 year old should not be able to do the job...look at Neil Peart! Edited by Heptade - November 07 2006 at 13:24 |
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:24 |
While he is unbelivable in that show, he still is their weakest link (and that in NO way means he is bad, it just means they are all great)
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Guillermo
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:49 |
iMO, Nick Mason is a good drummer.
I read in a book called "Pink Floyd" written by Miles (Omnibus Press, 1995?) that Gilmour said in an interview that (more or less as I remember): "Waters first "destroyed" Wright`s playing, and later, he "destroyed" Mason`s playing, because he criticized both musicians`playing a lot. Waters even tried to "destroy" my playing during the "The Final Cut" album recordings, but he couldn`t. By the time we were recording the "A Momentary Lapse of Reason", Nick`s confidence in his playing was diminished, so we had to recruit session drummers for most of the songs. Wright arrived very late in recording of the album and he only recorded small keyboad parts. During the first part of the 1987-88 tour, the real drummer in the band was Gary Wallis, and the same happened with Wright, because Jon Carin was stronger as a player. But by the time we recorded the live album ("Delicate Sound of Thunder") Mason and Wright were confident in them as musicians and they improved a lot". Edited by Guillermo - November 07 2006 at 13:51 |
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Pnoom!
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 14:01 |
I think part of the problem is that, as he has admitted, he was only in Pink Floyd for the money...
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Hatters
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 14:08 |
Sadly it is part of life that age has a huge effect on us and I think we should remember him for how he was at his peak, not as he is going downhill.
Edited by Hatters - November 07 2006 at 14:08 |
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 16:57 |
I don't think it has much to do with age, unless they get arthritis or something like that. Mainly, I think rock musicians just kind of stop practicing. They don't lose it, they let it go. You can tell someone truly loves music if they continue to play, compose, and get better even after they get rich. As previously stated, there are plenty of old guys that continue to play and make new stuff. Sure, they're rich enough to not do anything new, but they are true musicians who truly love music.
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richardh
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:18 |
Name me one rock drummer who has got better as he got older?
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:29 |
Ginger Baker, Steve Smith. but they started off jazz and then went back to jazz, after the pension-paying, rock stint.
Edited by Dick Heath - November 07 2006 at 17:32 |
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richardh
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:32 |
Are you really sure about Ginger Baker? (wouldn't have a clue about the others..will have to trust you on those)
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:34 |
I'm sure Nick Mason playing avant jazz with Michael Mantler or Carla
Bley in the 80's and 90's , suggests more ability than demonstrated by
Floyd alone
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Stefanovic
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:34 |
He has lost it indeed... If he ever had it which I seriously doubt...
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andu
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:34 |
Charlie Watts is still great. And he had to overcome not only age, but cancer also.
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The Wizard
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 17:41 |
He's old. Simple as that.
The fact that he has played on so many classic records, from Piper at the Gates of Dawn to Dark Side of the Moon to Animals makes him a great drummer. Same case as Ringo. It's not always about technical skill. Sometimes it's about just playing for the song.
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