Phil Collins: Serious Discussion.

you always hear people naysaying Phil for changing Genesis-but I prefear him on vocals-I never cared for Peter Gabriel...

E-Dub wrote: I listened to Hello, It Must Be Going today, and although it's not prog, doesn't mean it's not great music. Really enjoy those early solo albums of his. E

I also like the Droned / Hand in Hand section a lot. I think the first two Collins albums are my favourites. A lot of good songs.

E-Dub wrote: Moogtron III wrote: I also like the Droned / Hand in Hand section a lot. I think the first two Collins albums are my favourites. A lot of good songs. If you get his But Seriously...Live DVD, they start off the show with "Hand In Hand" and it simply smokes. Say what you want about Phil, but the guy puts on a fantastic show. I saw him on the No Jacket Required Tour and it was fantastic. Progressive or not, I've always liked Phil. Now I'm getting in the mood to listen to it. E

Maybe we should admire Phil for being an artist with such a differentiated audience. His solo work is loved by lots of people, although I prefer the first two albums. And besides his excellent drumming and later singing with Genesis, he also showed his drumming skills on the Brand-X albums which I like very much but are not liked by the general public.

A few years ago I bought A Hot Night in Paris, a decent Big Band set up with lots of nice versions of solo or Genesis songs, alongside Pick up the Pieces and Milestones. Nice drumming, no singing

And he played the drums well on some of the Brian Eno records like Another Green World.

Maybe he should be punished for his musical stuff (Tarzan) (but that is coming from a Musical Hater )



Edited by UncleMeat - April 06 2007 at 15:14

Genesis is great, Peter Gabriel is great, and so is Phil Collins.

Why can't we love them all?

Well, as the only one here I think that has actually given the boy a chance, , I will tell you my opinions about three Phil Collins' albums I happen to own... :

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. 
In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. 
Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. 
Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. 
But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: laplace wrote: Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument.  In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.  Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.  Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds.  But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.   Seems you're an American Psycho fan

laplace wrote: I skipped over the rude bits, my mother said I shouldn't be reading such horrible lewd things until I'm all grown up :F