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The Hemulen 
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 06:28 |
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No, not some obscure prog band, but a huge genre bursting with
inventiveness and boundary-stretching music. As prog is often dominated
as much by electronic sounds as more traditional/acoustic instruments,
and with the likes of Tangerine Dream neatly blurring borders, I
wondered if there are any other fans of Aphex Twin and his Warp Label
buddies here? Or indeed any types of electronic music. Personally I
think the two are natural companions.
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Petra
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 06:57 |
Hi Trousers!
Ooh I love anything from Warp records especially Boards Of Canada and Plaid they are fantastic chill out music and SquarePusher for some fanastic experimental jazzy electronica.
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 07:41 |
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I love Electronica especially Morr Records from Berlin and Fat Cat Records.Bands like Mum from Iceland and Lali Puna.Other favs are Autechre,Boards of Canada,Plaid(Black Dog),Vladislav Delay,Arovane,Ulrich Schnauss and
loads of others.
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sigod
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 07:56 |
 Man Erg wrote:
I love Electronica especially Morr Records from Berlin and Fat Cat
Records.Bands like Mum from Iceland and Lali Puna.Other favs are
Autechre,Boards of Canada,Plaid(Black Dog),Vladislav
Delay,Arovane,Ulrich Schnauss and
loads of others.
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Mum are always worth a listen, for me Stars of the Lid are the best of
the genre, a sort of crossover between electronica and post rock.
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 08:03 |
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[QUOTE=sigod]
Mum are always worth a listen, for me Stars of the Lid are the best of
the genre, a sort of crossover between electronica and post rock.
Absolutely.I love SoTL and also Windy & Carl
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Petra
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 08:19 |
Man Erg wrote:
[QUOTE=sigod]
Mum are always worth a listen, for me Stars of the Lid are the best of
the genre, a sort of crossover between electronica and post rock.
Absolutely.I love SoTL and also Windy & Carl |
The only MUM album Ive got is their last one but i find female singer with the sqeaky childlike vocals a bit annoying.
Sigur Ros deserve a mention though! 
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 08:50 |
Petra wrote:
[PSigur Ros deserve a mention though! |
I quite like her voice but sometimes she should keep quiet so that we can listen to the amazing sounds that they produce.The same can be said of Lamb.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 09:08 |
Can somebody tell me if the following groups, show be included as electronica:
Tonto's Expanding Headband
Whitenoise
and then certain performing composers of the 60's:
Terry Riley (e.g. Rainbow In Curved Air) - early minimalism
Milton Subotnik (e.g. Silver Apples Of The Moon - or some title based on a Ray Bradbury story.....)
And then Wendy/Walter Carlos, (after the Bach/baroque period); for instance Timesteps (Clockwork Orange) seems to out-Wakeman Rick Wakeman. The still, incredible groundbreaking soundscapes of Sonic Seasonings, the OST of Tron, Moonscapes, etc.
Finally all those keyboard players signed and released albums through Private Music Records in the mid/late 80's e.g. Patrick O'Hearn. Music which was rarely more than ambient music (which is probably at the end of the spectrum from the complexities of prog).
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sigod
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 09:25 |
Petra wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
[QUOTE=sigod]
Mum are always worth a listen, for me Stars of the Lid are the best of
the genre, a sort of crossover between electronica and post rock.
Absolutely.I love SoTL and also Windy & Carl |
The only MUM album Ive got is their last one but i
find female singer with the sqeaky childlike vocals a bit
annoying.
Sigur Ros deserve a mention though! |
Absolutely Sigur Ros deserve a mention. 
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goose
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 11:33 |
Trouserpress wrote:
No, not some obscure prog band, but a huge genre bursting with
inventiveness and boundary-stretching music. As prog is often dominated
as much by electronic sounds as more traditional/acoustic instruments,
and with the likes of Tangerine Dream neatly blurring borders, I
wondered if there are any other fans of Aphex Twin and his Warp Label
buddies here? Or indeed any types of electronic music. Personally I
think the two are natural companions.
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I like some Warp stuff, but I tend to the more aggressive ones,
particularly bits of Venetian Snares and Squarepusher. I'll listen to
Aphex Twin, but he's not one of my favourites. On a related note,
electronic jazzers Jaga Jazzist are excellent.
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 11:50 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Can somebody tell me if the following groups, show be included as electronica:
Tonto's Expanding Headband
Whitenoise
and then certain performing composers of the 60's:
Terry Riley (e.g. Rainbow In Curved Air) - early minimalism
Milton Subotnik (e.g. Silver Apples Of The Moon - or some title based on a Ray Bradbury story.....)
And then Wendy/Walter Carlos, (after the Bach/baroque period); for instance Timesteps (Clockwork Orange) seems to out-Wakeman Rick Wakeman. The still, incredible groundbreaking soundscapes of Sonic Seasonings, the OST of Tron, Moonscapes, etc.
Finally all those keyboard players signed and released albums through Private Music Records in the mid/late 80's e.g. Patrick O'Hearn. Music which was rarely more than ambient music (which is probably at the end of the spectrum from the complexities of prog). |
Not really Electronica is mainly a genre that is created by using digital software,computer generated sounds,samples and glitches,clicks and cuts as percussion and rhythms and feeding them through software as mentioned earlier .TEH,White Noise,Terry Riley and Morton Subotnick were definately influences on the genre as were Pauline Oliveros,BBC Radiophonic Workshop and modern composers such as Lygeti and Goreckl plus a good mixture of mainly American /Chicago House dance music from the late 70s to the early 90s add a bit of Krautrock ie Neu,Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and Bob's yer auntie.The whole thing can sound from anything to easily accessible music as an avant 'pop' sound to driftng soundscapes made up of static interference and digital glitches. Good books to read up on the subject are David Toop's 'Ocean of Sound' and Kodwo Eshun's 'Higher than the Sun.'
Edited by Man Erg
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Harlequin
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 11:55 |
Yes....Big fan. Not so much Aphex, but certainly Plaid, Autechre, BOC and a good few of the City Centre Offices stables mates (Ulrich Schnauss for example). Its what rekindled my love for vinyl.
Hope to see ISAN in liverpool next month.
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:03 |
Harlequin wrote:
Yes....Big fan. Not so much Aphex, but certainly Plaid, Autechre, BOC and a good few of the City Centre Offices stables mates (Ulrich Schnauss for example). Its what rekindled my love for vinyl.
Hope to see ISAN in liverpool next month. |
I love ISAN.CCO is an excellent label.I went to a couple of shared CCO/Morr nights.One in Whitechapel and one in Newcastle.Another great Warp band that seems to have dissapeared is Plone.Anybody know of their whereabouts?
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:07 |
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Neu! I think is more progressive rock than
electronica as well as Michael Rothers solo works.
He builds up at times a solo David Gilmour
atmosphere and then releases it with steady rock
drummer beats behind it. Ditto Manuel Gottsching up
to E2/E4/ Much more spacey and with a soul than
electronica and the other flip of the coin Kraftwerk
being colder and more mechanical. Reference here
is to all 70's output.
Progressive rock = head music
Electronica = body music
if it makes you wanna dance its electronica,
disco-nnect your brain.
if it takes you higher in a comfortable sitting position
its progressive rock
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sigod
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:11 |
DallasBryan wrote:
Neu! I think is more progressive rock than
electronica as well as Michael Rothers solo works.
He builds up at times a solo David Gilmour
atmosphere and then releases it with steady rock
drummer beats behind it. Ditto Manuel Gottsching up
to E2/E4/ Much more spacey and with a soul than
electronica and the other flip of the coin Kraftwerk
being colder and more mechanical. Reference here
is to all 70's output.
Progressive rock = head music
Electronica = body music
if it makes you wanna dance its electronica,
disco-nnect your brain.
if it takes you higher in a comfortable sitting position
its progressive rock |
Neu is a band I never seem to tire of. Have yet to get a copy of E2/E4
on CD but I'm told the sound quality is considerably improved.
I like the idea of sitting down to enjoy the music. There just isn't enough sitting at gigs anymore. 
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Harlequin
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:12 |
Sorry Dallas
Disagree
Listening to Xela right now. Maybe its rhythmical and maybe you could dance to it (I wouldnt like to try), but its music to make you think and reflect too.
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Beauty is not love
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Man Erg
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:18 |
[QUOTE=DallasBryan] Neu! I think is more progressive rock than electronica as well as Michael Rothers solo works. He builds up at times a solo David Gilmour atmosphere and then releases it with steady rock drummer beats behind it. Ditto Manuel Gottsching up to E2/E4/ Much more spacey and with a soul than electronica and the other flip of the coin Kraftwerk being colder and more mechanical. Reference here is to all 70's output. I was referring to the rhymic side of Neu.E2-E4 was a major influence on the Chicago Scene of the late 80s/early 90sCarl Craig or is it Cox? anyway,one of 'em. Yes.Reference is to 70s output but the sampled rhythms of these(Neu etc.) artists have been morphed digitally a in many cases have become warmer.One of the reasons why Ralf and Florian devoted so much time to cycling ,I believe, was that technology was advancing at such a rate that they had to take a back 'saddle'  to then get their bearings.Take a listen to the Tour de France album which came out a year or so ago.It sounds technically like a lot of other electronic/dancebands.Stylistically it's unmistakably Kraftwerk.Thet are no more the Kings of the Mountains when it come to the advancement of technology in music.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 12:55 |
Man Erg wrote:
Not really
Electronica is mainly a genre that is created by using digital software,computer generated sounds,samples and glitches,clicks and cuts as percussion and rhythms and feeding them through software as mentioned earlier .TEH,White Noise,Terry Riley and Morton Subotnick were definately influences on the genre as were Pauline Oliveros,BBC Radiophonic Workshop and modern composers such as Lygeti and Goreckl plus a good mixture of mainly American /Chicago House dance music from the late 70s to the early 90s add a bit of Krautrock ie Neu,Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and Bob's yer auntie.The whole thing can sound from anything to easily accessible music as an avant 'pop' sound to driftng soundscapes made up of static interference and digital glitches. Good books to read up on the subject are David Toop's 'Ocean of Sound' and Kodwo Eshun's 'Higher than the Sun.' |
Thanks for the education - and you're somebody who appears to recognise the name Tonto Expanding Headband. I must admit, when I first heard Oxygene I felt there were some connections with TEH. I've alway guessed the 60's albums by White Noise,Terry Riley and Morton Subotnick (should have added Pierre Henry), would have not involved the use of keyboard synths, rather analog signal generators and significant tape recorder use.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 13:08 |
you the Man Erg! thanks, you are a good source in my books! 
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sigod
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Posted: January 28 2005 at 13:30 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
Not really
Electronica is
mainly a genre that is created by using digital software,computer
generated sounds,samples and glitches,clicks and cuts as percussion and
rhythms and feeding them through software as mentioned earlier
.TEH,White Noise,Terry Riley and Morton Subotnick were definately
influences on the genre as were Pauline Oliveros,BBC Radiophonic
Workshop and modern composers such as Lygeti and Goreckl plus a good
mixture of mainly American /Chicago House dance music from the late 70s
to the early 90s add a bit of Krautrock ie Neu,Kraftwerk and Manuel
Gottsching and Bob's yer auntie.The whole thing can sound from anything
to easily accessible music as an avant 'pop' sound to driftng
soundscapes made up of static interference and digital glitches. Good
books to read up on the subject are David Toop's 'Ocean of Sound' and
Kodwo Eshun's 'Higher than the Sun.' |
Thanks for the education - and you're somebody who appears to
recognise the name Tonto Expanding Headband. I must admit, when I first
heard Oxygene I felt there were some connections with TEH. I've
alway guessed the 60's albums by White Noise,Terry Riley and Morton
Subotnick (should have added Pierre Henry), would have not involved the
use of keyboard synths, rather analog signal generators and significant
tape recorder use. |
White Noise - An Electric Storm is one of those albums that I can't
really listen to all the way through as it scares the living crap out
of me. Sure it starts off full of melody and whimsy but after a few
tracks, it mutates into something much more sinister. 
IMHO Terry Riley's album 'A Rainbow In Curved Air' predated Frippertronics by some years.
Edited by sigod
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