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    Posted: January 22 2007 at 14:26
Loved James Litherland's* voice (in my top 5 of the so-called blue-eyed blues vocalists), but always felt Farlowe couldn't resist unnecessary vocal gymnastics to the detriment of some songs (ditto Ian Gillan).

* but pity about his mid 90's middle of the road rock album full of instantly forgettable tunes.

I've tried to find some Litherland' releases but without success. What'd be the name of this mid 90's album ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:26
Originally posted by bsurmano

Loved James Litherland's* voice (in my top 5 of the so-called blue-eyed blues vocalists), but always felt Farlowe couldn't resist unnecessary vocal gymnastics to the detriment of some songs (ditto Ian Gillan).

* but pity about his mid 90's middle of the road rock album full of instantly forgettable tunes.

I've tried to find some Litherland' releases but without success. What'd be the name of this mid 90's album ?


Fourth Estate - released at least 12 years ago on a UK label. I do believe he was playing guitar as part of the pit orchestra for pop and rock musicals around that time - sure I saw his name in the programme for a Gary Glitter musical at Nottingham. Also recall James Litherland appears of the Alexis Korner Memorial Concert triple CD set (recorded 1995 and released by the UK-based  Indigo Label), specifically Volume 2 (IGOCD2051). Sings one song and then backs (ironically) Chris Farlowe on 3. BTW the of the AK MC is worth checking out for who's on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2007 at 04:14
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Originally posted by bsurmano

Loved James Litherland's* voice (in my top 5 of the so-called blue-eyed blues vocalists), but always felt Farlowe couldn't resist unnecessary vocal gymnastics to the detriment of some songs (ditto Ian Gillan).

* but pity about his mid 90's middle of the road rock album full of instantly forgettable tunes.

I've tried to find some Litherland' releases but without success. What'd be the name of this mid 90's album ?


Fourth Estate - released at least 12 years ago on a UK label. I do believe he was playing guitar as part of the pit orchestra for pop and rock musicals around that time - sure I saw his name in the programme for a Gary Glitter musical at Nottingham. Also recall James Litherland appears of the Alexis Korner Memorial Concert triple CD set (recorded 1995 and released by the UK-based  Indigo Label), specifically Volume 2 (IGOCD2051). Sings one song and then backs (ironically) Chris Farlowe on 3. BTW the of the AK MC is worth checking out for who's on it.
 
Great !! ; thanks for the info, the hunting starts !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 15:59
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And Moore really shines on those records, his best work I think.
    


I was so surprised when I realized that it really was Moore! How different music he used to do way back in 70īs... but you can recognize his way of playing. Strange New Flesh was amongst my first prog-records, I really listened to it a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 01:21
Yes, he was really amazing-- a true metal god, years before Eddie Van Halen and a huge influence on fellow Irish guitarists. His later solo stuff ('Victims of the Future', etc.) wasn't great and seemed to be geared toward selling records, but for awhile in the mid-70s there were few better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 02:40
Hiseman is one of the best prog drummers without doubt.I saw Colosseum at the Swindon Arts Centre a few years ago and it was a privilege to seen Hiseman,Greenslade,Farlowe and Babs Thompson.Quite funny as well to see them all bumping into each other on such a small stage!
 
btw Hiseman said he was inspired to write Valentyne Suite while watching the moon landings on TV in 1969.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 02:55
Originally posted by Atavachron

Yes, he was really amazing-- a true metal god, years before Eddie Van Halen and a huge influence on fellow Irish guitarists. His later solo stuff ('Victims of the Future', etc.) wasn't great and seemed to be geared toward selling records, but for awhile in the mid-70s there were few better.


Well, I used to dig Gary Moore's Eighties stuff as well. Perhaps not all of his albums were up to scratch, but the live "I Want Moore!" really cooks, and I really love the album he cut with Glenn Hughes singing on part of the tracks ("Run for Cover"). I'm not very well acquainted with his later, bluesy stuff, though I've been planning to get a few of his albums. My favourite Moore guitar track of all, though, is one that is not to be found on any of the albums he has recorded with his own name, but rather on drummer Cozy Powell's second solo album, "Tilt". The track is called "Sunset", and it's absolutely beautiful - Moore used to dedicate it to Randy Rhoads when playing it live.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 03:01
Wow, Raffaella, I'm a HUGE Randy fan, I didn't know this. I haven't heard 'Tilt', the Glenn Hughes or the live, maybe I'll check my local Amoeba for them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 04:45
Colosseum were one of the few bands that steered me towards Prog and Jazz-Rock in my formative years. They remain much loved and their reunion performance was truly professional. Dave Clempson on guitar remains highly underrated, despite his exceptional skills that leave many better known names rather embarrassed. There was a thread on him not long ago.
 
Colosseum II was ambitious, but perhaps trying too hard. Hiseman is a great drummer and motivator, here it's a bit of a flop. Apart from ripping off perhaps the best ever Stanley Clarke tune and recording it for no good reason, Gary Moore does little more than what he did in his earlier band Skid Row. Playing fast and loud - without a certain feel. Jeff Beck did a much better job at his forays into Jazz-Rock.
 
I have not kept any of the CII albums, but all of the original band's are still cherished.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 04:50
If fiery jazz-rock that completely blew away other bands of their time (even Mahavishnu had already peaked) was trying too hard, I'll take it. 'Electric Savage' is one of the tightest, most intuitive live/studio performances in fusion history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 05:28
This DVD is one of the best I've seen
 
 
Everything you need to know about the band is there.
 
I have post about Colosseum II, but it seems a lot of people are missing on Tempest (Hiseman's band between the two Colosseum).
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 05:37
Tempest was a solid band. For their time they were very good, they just haven't aged so well, imo. Hearing early Holdsworth is quite interesting on that first record, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 10:07
Originally posted by Atavachron

Yes, he was really amazing-- a true metal god, years before Eddie Van Halen and a huge influence on fellow Irish guitarists. His later solo stuff ('Victims of the Future', etc.) wasn't great and seemed to be geared toward selling records, but for awhile in the mid-70s there were few better.
 
Personally I think Gary Moore peaked on Skid Row's 34 Hours album when I think he was still in his teens, (in other words, I don't hear Moore play with greater and innovation on later recordings)- listen to the complexity of Love Story.
 
BTW wasn't  Rory Gallagher the first great Irish rock guitarist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 10:11
Originally posted by Atavachron

If fiery jazz-rock that completely blew away other bands of their time (even Mahavishnu had already peaked) was trying too hard, I'll take it. 'Electric Savage' is one of the tightest, most intuitive live/studio performances in fusion history.
 
The competition would have been Isotope and Brand X in the UK. Talking of Isotope, check out the second Gary Boyle  album Electric Glide where he plays duets with Gary Moore.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:07
I have Tempest's two albums- good stuff but I don't find them to be anywhere near Colosseum (especially their 2nd album). But then in my mind neither were Colosseum II, really...

Would I be right in saying that Tempest were perhaps more hard rock than jazz rock? I don't really see them as a jazz rock band, myself, despite having Allan Holdsworth and Ollie Halsall in the line up...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2007 at 17:20
Originally posted by salmacis

I have Tempest's two albums- good stuff but I don't find them to be anywhere near Colosseum (especially their 2nd album). But then in my mind neither were Colosseum II, really...

Would I be right in saying that Tempest were perhaps more hard rock than jazz rock? I don't really see them as a jazz rock band, myself, despite having Allan Holdsworth and Ollie Halsall in the line up...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 01:13
I agree with SEAN TRANE, that the COLOSSEUM LIVES [Live in Cologne] DVD is a must have. Just great performances throughout and as I've mentioned on other threads, an important piece of memorabilia for fans now the masterful Mr. Heckstall- Smith has sadly shuffled on.

On another note, I really enjoy 'BREAD AND CIRCUSES' and really find only one track [two at the very most] sub par. A particularly underrated album imo. altho I accept some may be put off by some of its not so prog , not so fusion rockier elements. From where I am , it aint bad......[Love that Steely Dan type groove on the Dick Heckstall-Smith tune, 'Big Deal']
Looking still the same after all these years...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 01:44
Also, just checked out SEAN's earlier COLOSSEUM thread. Excellent stuff for any enthusiast. Great work.
Looking still the same after all these years...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 12:47
I have their 2 first albums and they are quite good but titled suite on "Valentyne Suite" is just amazing.
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