Fish Marillion vs Hogarts Marillion

wich of these marillions times do you think was the best? or both were at the same level?

I prefer Fish's Marillion

Fish, with a very large margin.

I love H's voice but find Fish and his barking style grating on the ear. I also prefer the material of the later period. I guess a lot of how someone will view the band is from the perspective of which version they encountered first and, for me, it wasn't until "Brave" that I first heard Marillion.

E-Dub wrote: I did a poll like this when I first joined and it wasn't close. Still, Hogarth's Marillion is the incarnation that I prefer. Besides, without Hogarth, we wouldn't have the masterpiece Brave, which is far and away better than anything from the Fish era. E

Whoah buddy. Now I back you up on your love of Hogarth all the time, but better than anything from the Fish Era? You may like it more, but I think you will find a lot of people that will place a couple of Fish era albums way above that. The primary candidate would be "Script for a Jester's Tear." Personally, I place all of the fish era albums above anything with Hogarth.

And Nash, as E said, he did a poll like this a while ago. So did I, and there are many others. This subject has been debated to death. It basically just comes down to personal preference. As you see with E and I, we will never agree on this subject, but we do respect each other's opinion.

H!

It has been very difficult for me to choose here. Up to a month ago, I always said Fish era. And I still prefer his voice to Hogarth's.

Having just recently been aquainted with both periods, I must confess Hogarth's Marillion atract me a lot more than Fish's. They do sound more mature, more serious and more talented. And I kinda dislike Fish's way of singing, I prefer the colder, more low-key Hogarth.

Edited by Kotro - February 25 2007 at 16:25

bhikkhu wrote: E-Dub wrote: I did a poll like this when I first joined and it wasn't close. Still, Hogarth's Marillion is the incarnation that I prefer. Besides, without Hogarth, we wouldn't have the masterpiece Brave, which is far and away better than anything from the Fish era. E Whoah buddy. Now I back you up on your love of Hogarth all the time, but better than anything from the Fish Era? You may like it more, but I think you will find a lot of people that will place a couple of Fish era albums way above that. The primary candidate would be "Script for a Jester's Tear." Personally, I place all of the fish era albums above anything with Hogarth. And Nash, as E said, he did a poll like this a while ago. So did I, and there are many others. This subject has been debated to death. It basically just comes down to personal preference. As you see with E and I, we will never agree on this subject, but we do respect each other's opinion.

Bhikkhu, the "IMO" should've been implied. Of course my opinion doesn't fly with the majority; but, what would this place be if we all agreed on the same thing?

Additionally, I've made it known that Brave is probably the best CD I own. For me, it's 76 minutes of pessimism, alienation, betrayal, grief, anger, hopelessness, and hope. And the thing is, Brave didn't quite grab me at first. I can't really pinpoint when the light finally went on, but when it did hit me, I knew what I was listening to was something not of this world (No Pendragon pun intended).

Lastly, sometimes Fish seems to be overstating or trying too hard when it comes to emotion (this is just to these ears and not a statement of fact). It simply seems a bit forced and over-the-top; whereas, Hogarth creates such a mood on Brave in an almost effortless manner. It's different on every song, too. If anything, this band became Jekyll and Hyde with Hogarth. To do something a bit more light in Holidays In Eden, to turn around and produce such a brooding and dark album in Brave took courage. Then, they do another flip flop and produce Afraid Of Sunlight, which is a bit more ethereal, but such a social statement on what we perceive as fame, but shedding light on the reality of it all. I applaud them.

E

E-Dub wrote: And with all due respect, Fish hasn't come close to producing a masterpiece since leaving Marillion.

Oh I don't think so. He's come close. Raingods with Zippos is great, probably 4 stars. Vigil is next. Great tracks on there; probably about a 3.5 or 4. Sunsets on Empire and Field of Crows were disappointing; maybe 2.5 or 3.