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    Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:30
Should John Wesley become a Perminent member of PT? He sings backup and plays guitar in In Absentia in places, he has toured with them through the In Absentia and Deadwing tours, he was present in the Porcupine Tree Arriving Somewhere Live DVD, and has worked with Steven Wilson on many solo projects of his own.  
 
What do you think?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:32
If he's willing, he should be.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:36
Yes - but it depends on what contractual arrangement he has with SW and the rest of the band. As E-Dub says - if he is willing then he should particularly if he is asked to join permanently !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:42
It would be nice, but only if they both agree.  I think he's really good live, like on the Arriving Somewhere... DVD.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:46
Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Yes - but it depends on what contractual arrangement he has with SW and the rest of the band. As E-Dub says - if he is willing then he should particularly if he is asked to join permanently !


This guys been around for a long time, too. I have a Marillion FRC release from Copenhagen on the Brave tour and they give him a big thank you as the opening act during the speaking moments between "The Great Escape" and "Made Again".

Hogarth said something about how he had to leave to 'go back to the States'. Does he live in the US? I think Ian Mosley lived in Florida at the time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 23:42
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Yes - but it depends on what contractual arrangement he has with SW and the rest of the band. As E-Dub says - if he is willing then he should particularly if he is asked to join permanently !


This guys been around for a long time, too. I have a Marillion FRC release from Copenhagen on the Brave tour and they give him a big thank you as the opening act during the speaking moments between "The Great Escape" and "Made Again".

Hogarth said something about how he had to leave to 'go back to the States'. Does he live in the US? I think Ian Mosley lived in Florida at the time.

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John Wesley also toured with Fish on his Raingods with Zippos tour. He is from Florida according to the booklet for the Sashimi Live album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 03:57
saw him support the marillos on two tours and bought his debut album
“under the red & white sky“, which was produced by mark kelly.
good singer/songwriter-stuff with some proggy traits, maybe
a bit bland at times.

furthermore, he was steve rothery's guitar tech for ages (read the whole
story in jon collins' fine “separated out“ biography) and i remember
seeing him perform “estonia“ on stage with marillion (on acoustic guitar)
on their “this strange engine tour“.

i heard somwhere that PT have already asked him a few times if he would
join permanently. but the geographics would probably prevent this (he:
florida, they: UK) and as a writer i think he is too involved in his solo stuff.
but he is also shown on some promo photos (german magazine ROCK
HARD have already had two consecutive PT-live reviews with a photo of
him instead of steven wilson) and there are photos about where he is
also part of public signing sessions on PT-US-tours.
can anyone verify?
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 06:27
I think he should be, it would be an interesting touch to the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 06:46
Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

I think he should be, it would be an interesting touch to the music.



not too sure about this. as i stated before, his writing is very much in the
singer/songwriter mould and thus very different to steven wilson, whom
i doubt will push for a second writer in PORCUPINE TREE.

but – if it happens – it will certainly be an asset and yet another different
slant to their music. PT are known to make u-turns and change &
progress over rel. short periods of time and if this suits their chosen
track it would certainly be a good idea. after all, steven wilson sort of
reserves most of his singer/songwriter-ambitions for BLACKFIELD these days.
great new album, btw.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 11:52
After watching the Arriving Somewhere DVD, I think he is necessary and I hope he gets a chance offering.  His vocals mix very well with Steven's and his presence fits the band as well.

Edited by StyLaZyn - March 09 2007 at 11:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 11:54

is it really nessecary? i don't think so..
-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...

-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 13:46
Just like creating ones own fantasy line ups, it is futile to suggest or insist that someone work with someone else when their personalities (and their circumstances) are not known to us.

The chemistry between these guys is there live (which is obviously why he's hired for live shows) but would it be there during the creative process? He is hired to help the band realise their sound live. In the studio during the writing his presence may not be needed (and may even be in the way).

Having said that, I understand that Wesley does contribute backing vox to the new album and I would definitely say that this is fair and makes sense as he has been, and hopefully will continue to do so live. Ultimately who, other than those involved know the situation?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:41
I think they've got it together themselves. He has his own stuff to do, and he helps them out on tour. I tihnk they have a nice thing worked out. adn it would just be weird if they messed that up.
He knows and appreciates his place, adn it looks like everyone is fine with the arrangment.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2007 at 19:55
Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

I think he should be, it would be an interesting touch to the music.



not too sure about this. as i stated before, his writing is very much in the
singer/songwriter mould and thus very different to steven wilson, whom
i doubt will push for a second writer in PORCUPINE TREE.

but – if it happens – it will certainly be an asset and yet another different
slant to their music. PT are known to make u-turns and change &
progress over rel. short periods of time and if this suits their chosen
track it would certainly be a good idea. after all, steven wilson sort of
reserves most of his singer/songwriter-ambitions for BLACKFIELD these days.
great new album, btw.


I think John can do more then that Singer/songwriter style.

IDK, I like his touch on the guitar, and I'm not too fond of Wilson's Solo's. Wilson thinks about it too much so it has a lack of flow that I think John'd be able to do easy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2007 at 23:53
eh well I think Steve is doing a great job at it so far and although John is great with them live, I'm not 100% sure that would be the best.  It definitely wouldn't be bad for the band at all, I just kinda like how they are now.  Can't wait for the new album/show I'm going to!
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