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    Posted: June 23 2007 at 15:59
Part of the reason I dig the album is because of that - I dig the blues cuts, and jazz-rock elements. Did you get the 2007 remix edition? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2007 at 09:44
The title track, 'Love her madly' and 'Riders on the storm' are truly great tracks, the latter being a masterpiece.  The rest of the album is pretty much 'filler', but by anyone's standards it is still a pretty decent album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2007 at 21:39
Well Uncle Jimbo is 100% more intresting and actaly make some seens to me.. while thos so called real poets are incredlibly boring and i dont understand anything of em.. well i gues im stupid. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2007 at 14:02
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Uroboros Uroboros wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

he was a brilliant lyricist and poet.
 
No, he was not. He was a kid who had probably read some Rimbaud and most definitely some Blake and thought it would be cool to mumble something in a similar style as lyrics for his songs. He built up some kind of childish, incoherent imagery with lizards and stuff and he probably also thought shamans were cool or something, cause he kept bringing that up if I recall well. Like the Mercury Rev guys nicely put it in a song some time ago, "I'm alive! she cried - but I don't know what it means". He was not a poet, and I wouldn't call him an inspired lyricist either, although you might argue that some things sounded decent enough in the context of one song or another.
 
"He was a kid who had probably read some Rimbaud and most definitely some Blake"
 
Do you know anything about the man?He was a voracious reader with a near genius level IQ,so don't insult his intelligence.
 
What you think of any of his work is all a matter of taste and opinon,isn't it?I like his poetry and his lyrics,and the imagery he used.
 
I'm a blue collar guy,I guess my tastes aren't as "refined" as yours.
 
While I won't presume to judge how much this guy knows about Morrison, I can tell you for certain that he knows jack about Rimbaud and Blake. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2007 at 06:45
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Overrated? This is their most consistent album, if not best!
 
 
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Wait. Is this that one that have Riders on the Storm, Been Down So Long, L.A.Woman, Love her madly and The Changeling? Then this IS their best!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 19:44
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

...compare LA Woman to everything else happening in 1971 and it is quite a poor album compare it to the Yes album or Meddle by Pink Floyd


Why compare? LA Woman is a completely different album to Meddle or The Yes Album by a completely (stylistically, culturally & most importantly, musically) different kind of band; you could just as easily compare, say, Zappa's 200 Motels and Aphrodites Child's 666... 2 more prog albums released in 1971 but with no other connection.
 
I agree, it is no-brainer to make such parallels. It is only the liberals on this site who employ the term progressive as an (nearly) all encompassing definition for rock. And it is an age thing to some extent, in that if you were around at the time of release, LA Woman was a classic West Coast Rock-LA sub-division LP, and nobody made comparisons with the emerging British prog scene, that was different rock - although the encompassing term  'underground music' may have been used. So it is plain daft to compare this album musically or content-wise with concurrent ones released by Yes or Floyd (who were still known as a psychedelic band at the time and separate from the newer progressive music groups like Yes).
 
Make comparisons with the concurrent Jefferson Airplane release (post-Volunteers - JA in rebellion), as the music press did in those days: The Doors and JA tour of  the UK  was unofficially known as the battle of West Coast bands, LA v SF divisions), or Spirit's 12 Dreams (IMHO Spirit's belated psychedelic masterpiece, made before the band fell apart - in part to become the pop rock Jo Jo Gunne).  And it is unwise to compare with any Zappa output, since Zappa had essentially rejected that West Coast hippy freak thing - as had Velvet Underground. If you want to compare against a mainstream US prog band of the period you'll have difficulties, after Touch (1968/9) there was a bit of gap before Todd Rundgren's Utopia or Kansas got into that scene.
 
What I do remember was the LA Woman LP was greeted as the Doors doing more blues  less psychedelia - LA Woman/Riders was released as a double sided single a couple times by Elektra to reasonable sales.
 
BTW Jim Morrison had put on a lot of weight because of his booze habit  by this time and at least one Doors' biography suggests the beard was grown to hide his double chins. Less of a pretty boy.


What you all are saying is that you can't compare anything with anything so therefore by all your logic you should rate all your reviews 5 stars since you can't compare it anything else.
And while your all at this what are your views about hip hopWink
remeber you can't compareLOL.




You're blowing what they said completely out of proportion.  They said you can't compare L.A. Woman (a blues rock album) to Fragile or  Meddle which were both in a completely different genre.  That doesn't mean you can't compare LA Woman to Strange Days, or LA Woman to some Canned Heat album.  You can still compare what you like vs. what you don't like.  And what you're saying about giving everything 5 stars makes no sense either because in order to decide whether something is good you do not need to compare it to something else. 

My views on Hip-Hop are that it is a wonderful thing be it Hip-hop graffiti, b-boy, music.  As long as it sounds good to me.  See? I didn't compare what I think of hip-hop to anything and still noted that I like it. 

If I were to recommend it thru comparison I could say something like

--You may like west-coast hip-hop if you enjoy the fusion of  verses and choruses with various rhyme schemes set to original compositions that may or may not sample various songs.  West coast hip-hop music is similar to the funk music of the 70s.  Parliament/Funkadelic was a heavy influence on the genre and you could easily compare the use of synthesizers in the music of Dr. Dre to that of George Clinton's projects.  Furthermore, the beats and rhymes of west coast hip-hop music and most all hip-hop music for that matter are very funky.  One can even argue that hip-hop music and rock and roll are very similar as both genres make use of rhymes and depending on the rock band, a good groove. --

When trying to compare the Doors to Yes and Floyd this is about as much as can be done:

--On L.A. Woman, the Doors focused more heavily on their blues roots.  Having originally fused both blues and psychedlia together on their early recordings, the band was then falling apart and I suppose back to the blues seemed like a good idea.  At the same time bands like Yes and Pink Floyd were experimenting with different styles too.  Pink Floyd had initally started as a psychedelic band but was expanding out to a more mature and sometimes more focused style of space rock.  They were still drawing on long song forms, but the psychedelic nature of the songs had changed probably in part to the loss of Syd Barret's mad ideas.  Yes was another progressive rock band that had more influence from the classical field.  All 3 styles are from the Rock genre, but separate into different categories.  Even though each band has typical rock instrumentation they speak different languages.  The Doors find it more fit in speaking like Howlin' Wolf, while Yes was more in touch with Crosby Stills & Nash and Brahms, and Pink Floyd  combined experimental composers and folk/blues.--
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 15:03
Overrated? This is their most consistent album, if not best!















Wait. Is this that one that have Riders on the Storm, Been Down So Long, L.A.Woman, Love her madly and The Changeling? Then this IS their best!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 14:51
I think that everything by the Doors is grossly overrated, personally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2007 at 14:48

Great album its music and i like it. The title track röck so %¤#" hard ! And yeah i love hip hop got any problem with that? Are you the music police or sumething? Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2007 at 23:12
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

...compare LA Woman to everything else happening in 1971 and it is quite a poor album compare it to the Yes album or Meddle by Pink Floyd


Why compare? LA Woman is a completely different album to Meddle or The Yes Album by a completely (stylistically, culturally & most importantly, musically) different kind of band; you could just as easily compare, say, Zappa's 200 Motels and Aphrodites Child's 666... 2 more prog albums released in 1971 but with no other connection.
 
I agree, it is no-brainer to make such parallels. It is only the liberals on this site who employ the term progressive as an (nearly) all encompassing definition for rock. And it is an age thing to some extent, in that if you were around at the time of release, LA Woman was a classic West Coast Rock-LA sub-division LP, and nobody made comparisons with the emerging British prog scene, that was different rock - although the encompassing term  'underground music' may have been used. So it is plain daft to compare this album musically or content-wise with concurrent ones released by Yes or Floyd (who were still known as a psychedelic band at the time and separate from the newer progressive music groups like Yes).
 
Make comparisons with the concurrent Jefferson Airplane release (post-Volunteers - JA in rebellion), as the music press did in those days: The Doors and JA tour of  the UK  was unofficially known as the battle of West Coast bands, LA v SF divisions), or Spirit's 12 Dreams (IMHO Spirit's belated psychedelic masterpiece, made before the band fell apart - in part to become the pop rock Jo Jo Gunne).  And it is unwise to compare with any Zappa output, since Zappa had essentially rejected that West Coast hippy freak thing - as had Velvet Underground. If you want to compare against a mainstream US prog band of the period you'll have difficulties, after Touch (1968/9) there was a bit of gap before Todd Rundgren's Utopia or Kansas got into that scene.
 
What I do remember was the LA Woman LP was greeted as the Doors doing more blues  less psychedelia - LA Woman/Riders was released as a double sided single a couple times by Elektra to reasonable sales.
 
BTW Jim Morrison had put on a lot of weight because of his booze habit  by this time and at least one Doors' biography suggests the beard was grown to hide his double chins. Less of a pretty boy.


What you all are saying is that you can't compare anything with anything so therefore by all your logic you should rate all your reviews 5 stars since you can't compare it anything else.
And while your all at this what are your views about hip hopWink
remeber you can't compareLOL.





  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2007 at 16:24
I wouldn't regard The Doors as prog either, but happen to, besides liking real prog, like this music too. Most likely it also guided my musical taste as a teenager to the more "mature" stuff prog is regarded as.

But for sure I don't like it because of the person Jim Morrison. When I really started getting fond of The Doors, Jim was already dead for 10 years and the radio (in Holland) more or less only played Riders on the Storm and Light my Fire. Now for L.A. Woman, perhaps I'm pre-occupied, since it was my first experience with The Doors and I also "found" this album (living near a record factory that threw away all records with small press defects at a place where I, as a child, could reach it by getting very very early in the morning at the factory premises, risking being kicked off by the not a quite nice security guy). I do not regard L.A. Woman as flat, especially not the title song. However, yes, you can see Jim's demise coming. What is music? Only fun listening, easy music? Or does it also represent an era and life itself in a way, through the people that perform it? The latter is something I do take into consideration when listening to music, in this way extending its purpose perhaps, but making it more interesting. L.A. Woman represents an aggression, a drive (for life maybe? Jim seeing it coming?) that is rather hypnotizing and to my opinion well worked out; raw maybe, therefore real. That's worth a lot I think, especially in a time where instruments have been replaced by computers, taking away the soul of it. But maybe I'm just too old Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2007 at 11:53

I am quite stuned to learn that "L.A. Woman" is the proggiest Doors album. I must be dreaming. It is mostly blues and jazz oriented. Of course, two masterpieces sit there : the title track and "Riders" of course. A couple of great rock songs as well : "Love Her Madly" and "The Changeling".

I can hardly see any prog link at all. Anyway, The Doors were not a prog band and only their first two hold some psychedelic moments which could be related to prog.
 
I have rated this album with three stars because of its inconsistency and lack of great moments, because IMO four great tracks out of ten are just not enough for a masterpiece.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:49
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

...compare LA Woman to everything else happening in 1971 and it is quite a poor album compare it to the Yes album or Meddle by Pink Floyd


Why compare? LA Woman is a completely different album to Meddle or The Yes Album by a completely (stylistically, culturally & most importantly, musically) different kind of band; you could just as easily compare, say, Zappa's 200 Motels and Aphrodites Child's 666... 2 more prog albums released in 1971 but with no other connection.
 
I agree, it is no-brainer to make such parallels. It is only the liberals on this site who employ the term progressive as an (nearly) all encompassing definition for rock. And it is an age thing to some extent, in that if you were around at the time of release, LA Woman was a classic West Coast Rock-LA sub-division LP, and nobody made comparisons with the emerging British prog scene, that was different rock - although the encompassing term  'underground music' may have been used. So it is plain daft to compare this album musically or content-wise with concurrent ones released by Yes or Floyd (who were still known as a psychedelic band at the time and separate from the newer progressive music groups like Yes).
 
Make comparisons with the concurrent Jefferson Airplane release (post-Volunteers - JA in rebellion), as the music press did in those days: The Doors and JA tour of  the UK  was unofficially known as the battle of West Coast bands, LA v SF divisions), or Spirit's 12 Dreams (IMHO Spirit's belated psychedelic masterpiece, made before the band fell apart - in part to become the pop rock Jo Jo Gunne).  And it is unwise to compare with any Zappa output, since Zappa had essentially rejected that West Coast hippy freak thing - as had Velvet Underground. If you want to compare against a mainstream US prog band of the period you'll have difficulties, after Touch (1968/9) there was a bit of gap before Todd Rundgren's Utopia or Kansas got into that scene.
 
What I do remember was the LA Woman LP was greeted as the Doors doing more blues  less psychedelia - LA Woman/Riders was released as a double sided single a couple times by Elektra to reasonable sales.
 
BTW Jim Morrison had put on a lot of weight because of his booze habit  by this time and at least one Doors' biography suggests the beard was grown to hide his double chins. Less of a pretty boy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 06:51
Love this album- totally agree with Peter that these 'overrated' threads only ever seem to result in 'I don't like it so it's obviously overrated'. IMHO, this is possibly their best album- don't care too much whether it's prog or not, it gets a lot of airings from me.Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 03:44
Not even slightly overrated.
 
Underrated, if you ask me.
 
"Riders on the Storm" is genius - sure, Jim's voice was trashed, and in many places, you can tell he's not connecting like he used to - the drunken buffoon side of him is strong in places - notably on the title track, but in other places, the whole thing comes together like magic - as with previous Doors albums. The chemistry was still there, even if part of Jim wasn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 03:31
overrated?? nope. to me it's much better than the morrison hotel album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:56
it may be 'overrated' but it's a really good record
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2007 at 02:38
L.A WOMAN is a bad album?!? that's a new one.....
it deserves at least 4 out of 5 stars
this album is the music maturity it's self if you consider the music style of their previous albums
better listen to it again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2007 at 08:34
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

...compare LA Woman to everything else happening in 1971 and it is quite a poor album compare it to the Yes album or Meddle by Pink Floyd


Why compare? LA Woman is a completely different album to Meddle or The Yes Album by a completely (stylistically, culturally & most importantly, musically) different kind of band; you could just as easily compare, say, Zappa's 200 Motels and Aphrodites Child's 666... 2 more prog albums released in 1971 but with no other connection.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2007 at 22:48
In time, I've come to find L.A. Woman to be my fave among the Doors' albums because it sounded like their most relaxed, as if they knew they were going to take a "break" once they were done with this one. It also seems to encompass all their styles through their career. Then to top it, it has 3 of their classic "radio" hits - Love Her Madly, L.A. Woman, & Riders on the Storm. True, the music wasn't as "far out" or "progressive" as some that was put out that year. But I don't know that such "competitions" are what musicians should or would worry about, whether in 1971 or any year. And what's more, there is one track that you could always blow away your typical non-Doors' fan's mind with - you wait 'til they've had a few brews, then drop the needle (sorry, anachronistic remarkEmbarrassed), I mean cue the CD to "Been Down So Long" & scream the first few lines of the lyric along with J M. Then ask them if they actually know what sort of music the Doors played. LOL
This is the end. of the post. or maybe not ...
P.S. Morrison was one of "rock''s more famous lyricist. Sometimes overrated, sometimes too easily dismissed for his so-called artistic & poetic pretentions. But then, it's not as if we progsters' couldn't name a few of our own wordsmiths who've been tagged with the same critique.
P.P.S. The Doors best known song (arguably) - Light My Fire was completely written by Robbie Krieger, with the final arrangement coming out of group effort. Djou wanna guess how many folks believe Jimmy boy wrote those words Confused


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