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bhikkhu 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A˛ Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
 Topic: Osada Vida - polish prog metalPosted: July 17 2007 at 09:27 |
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I can see Erik's point. I do not care for most metal, and am hesitant to check out bands with that label. Hearing Indukti changed that for me. But, that happened because I saw them at NEARfest.
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erik neuteboom
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Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: July 17 2007 at 06:26 |
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I write progrock reviews for more than 15 years (for several magazines and sites) and from this experience I have discovered that it often works like this: progheads wanted to read big names in order to compare, which bands match with their (often conservative) taste and which bands match with the categories they like? So if a band is labelled as Prog Metal the prog metal 'haters' will avoid the reviews about 'Prog Metal' band Osada Vida, the same way as neo-prog 'haters' avoid the neo-prog reviews. In my opinion a substantial amount of non Prog Metal fans will be unaware of the Symphonic Prog/Art-Rock/Heavy Prog potential of Osada Vida and that is what concerns me. I am sure Osada Vida will get a lot of attention in the category Prog Metal (and they deserve that) but I simply think that Heavy Prog will do more justice to their sound.
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 17 2007 at 06:55 |
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 23:50 |
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SO are you saying if they are in Prog Metal they won't get the attention you think they deserve?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 23:40 |
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^^^ I agree with Erik about where they should be moved, but for different reasons.
First I believe they have much more than just Prog Metal, they are closer to Symphonic that some bands that are in the sub-genre, so I believe there are many things going in Osada Vida to limit them in just one sub-genre.
Now, about the prejudices, I don't care, we won't change the reality of a band because people don't like Prog Metal or Neo Prog, if Osada Vida was a Prog Metal band exclusively, I would believe they should go in Prog metal.
A band is not better for being in Symphonic or Art Rock than for being in Prog Metal or Neo Prog, we shouldn't surrender to this prejudices, a band should go where they belong, and I believe Osada Vida will fit better in Art Rock now and later in Heavy Prog.
If somebody doesn't like Neo Prog or Prog Metal, it's their choice they are the ones who are loosing some great music.
Excellent band, reminds me of Rush and even Uriah Heep in some moments, pluis touches of King Crimson.
Iván
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 16 2007 at 06:34 |
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My problem with the prog metal category for Osada Vida is that progheads who don't like (or even hate) prog metal tend to avoid reading Osada Vida reviews, like neo-prog 'haters' avoid reading neo-prog reviews (and I know many of them!). So that's why I mentioned the category 'heavy progressive (rock)' and I am glad that Avestin did the same in his review. Perhaps that after many years of discussing about it, Prog Archives will start to use this category because it will make things more clear for progheads, Heavy Prog scouts the 'grey' borders between symphonic prog, hardrock and prog metal and will fit for new bands like Entrance, Riverside, Matraz, Toccata, Presto Ballet and Dimension X .... in my opinion.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 15 2007 at 23:20 |
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I do agree with you Erik, but that is where they presently reside. |
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 15 2007 at 17:27 |
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Prog metal? Come on, this band has more to offer, this is excellent heavy progressive (two years ago I started to support this category but Prog Archives works quite slowly
 ), their heavy progrock sound, dynamics, variety and subtle musical ideas remind me of late Seventies Rush and early Ayreon (not the sound but the structure) 
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 15 2007 at 17:36 |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 15 2007 at 12:28 |
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Fantastic band! I think Indukti might get replaced as my favorite Prog Metal band.
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Tuzvihar
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13489 |
Posted: July 15 2007 at 11:34 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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avestin
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:53 |
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Sure, Tuz, don't worry (that's why I added the icon at the end).
I will probably have time for PMT "duties" this weekend (along adding another band there).
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:52 |
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Yes, sorry...   Forgive me my impatience, please. |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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avestin
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:48 |
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I have a life beyond PA, a job, a family...
And also other duties in PA aside from the Prog-Metal Team.... (RIO/Avant/Zeuhl and Discographies and other band additions in other genres).
Is that enough for you?
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 16:44 |
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Hmmm... They are in the chart but nobody has voted yet! What takes you so long?
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 17:31 |
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Oh, I just dicovered there are 18 pages of PMT chart! I thought there was only one, sorry... |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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avestin
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 17:24 |
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Don't know whay to say, but it's there, I see it right now.
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darkmatter
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Joined: November 23 2006 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 2760 |
Posted: March 31 2007 at 16:38 |
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I listened to the samples a week ago, and they were good. I'll be sure to listen to them again soon.
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Pablo_P
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Joined: March 20 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1028 |
Posted: March 31 2007 at 16:35 |
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Yes, I know them!!!
 I even wrote about them some time ago... If I remember well, the band was actually looking for a label that would release their recordings... I once read about them in a local newspaper, there was a short article about the band and their upcoming concert somewhere in Silesia (I even wanted to go there after my lectures at the studies... )
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Tuzvihar
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13489 |
Posted: March 31 2007 at 16:17 |
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Listening to the samples once more.
 Has anybody listened to them already? |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 05:23 |
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I checked the PMT chart on www.progtology.com and I can't see them there...  Edited by Tuzvihar - March 31 2007 at 05:23 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 05:24 |
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http://www.myspace.com/osadavida But there the same three songs to listen to there as on their official website and I posted links to them in my first post. |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski |
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