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The Lost Chord 
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Posted: April 16 2007 at 23:14 |
For some reason, today, despite all of my agreeable ideas with dislikers and crticisms of Phil Collins, I couldnt help it, and I really did, honestly, enjoy the HELL out of everything Phil today.
I cant help it, honestly, I LOVE the guys voice, I think he has a fantastic voice, and despite me talking about his "passionless" performances...well, perhaps I was dead wrong, because I do feel the passion, and this man as far as im concerned is a MASTER.
Trick of the Tail is brilliant vocal work, as well as having the greatness of early Genesis behind him, songs like Ripples and Entangled just would not BE without Collins voice. Not to mention his few songs with Gabriel as lead (For Absent Friends...)
I still dont care much for the material of the 80's, but I do like his Tarzan song and his peaceful Disney cartoon relations, he really makes me happy and I love it.
Collins kicks ass! 
Edited by The Lost Chord - April 16 2007 at 23:16
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Posted: April 16 2007 at 23:31 |
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Posted: April 16 2007 at 23:33 |
I've always had a soft spot for Phil, even his 80s solo stuff is moderately enjoyable in my opinion. 
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 00:02 |
Originally posted by rileydog22
The booze is getting to your head.... |
Yeah, im suprised i like Phil alot more now...maybe it was Ripples, i think that song is just amazing!
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 00:04 |
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heh, Phil's solo-work is scary, mainstream POP music. He definitely went downhill after leaving Genesis.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 00:25 |
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:00 |
This is another Collins tread which will be locked by Easy living. 
But before he do that may I said that I dont like his work after "Trick of the tail" at all.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:18 |
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I've always liked him for some reason...
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:32 |
Sussudio is just awesome! 
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:45 |
Originally posted by pero
This is another Collins tread which will be locked by Easy living.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:49 |
Of course Collins is very enjoyable. He was always a good singer for Genesis, even in the '80's and '90's. Not as adventurous as Gabriel, but very good nevertheless.
And he remained a sensational drummer until (and including) Duke.
He was (and is) a good songwriter as well, though I wished he hadn't lost his sense for adventure. That has gone down the drains a bit since... Invisible Touch?
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:52 |
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Big fan of his drumming and his voice...he's a great frontman too! Dome of his solo work is ok, but I don't like his personality a lot.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:53 |
Originally posted by Easy Livin
Originally posted by pero
This is another Collins tread which will be locked by Easy living.
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Surely there's no need for bashing! Who wouldn't want to be one of the world's most popular entertainers (as Phil was in the 1980s) if they could manage it? Don't forget Phil had earned his kudos by playing with Genesis, Brand X and on some of the most 'out there' records of the 1970s, such as John Cale's chilling HELEN OF TROY.
And yes, I totally agree, his vocals on TRICK OF THE TAIL are truly astonishing.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:55 |
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We all know that any Phil/post-Gabriel Genesis thread ,giving all the knockers yet another oppotunity to lambaste the man, is likely to get the big padlock treatment evetually . I too thought, not another Phil thread, but I'm with you.
'Trick....' is a great Genesis album imo and I like 'W and W' too. Part of this is because of Phil's vocals. 'Ripples', 'Mad,Mad Moon', Squonk' etc. are great songs with great melodies. 'Seconds Out' is arguably the best stuff the band ever recoerded live as well.
Yes, they started to do catchy stuff later on and Phil went off to make money . His problem was he was too successful. Musicians are people who need to earn good $s and , like most of us, support a family one day [or in Phil's case, more than one, but to each his own].
He was essentially a drummer first and foremost and a very good one at that [ you only have to listen to 'Brand X' and to understand that someone of Chester Thompson's ability was needed to play in his place on live gigs to appreciate that], but commercial success means financial security for all those years when you may not be earning squillions . His talent allowed him to maintain his drumming , develop his vocals, write catchy stuff, do covers and generally become a star, whether the hard core prog enthusiasts like it or not.
If he hadn't, we'd all be asking 'whatever happened to Phil Collins and Genesis'. Since he has, we're all still asking 'whatever happened to Phil Collins and Genesis', but many are just blaming him for the changes that happened over time and their 'ruination'.
I don't particularly like the later stuff and a lot of his solo work either, but so what?
The man has to be very clever as well as lucky. Do we begrudge him that........?
[Well done 'LOST CHORD' for being able to put past prejudices behind you and appreciate some of this stuff for what it is - very good progressive music
That ought to get some of them going]!!!!!
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 05:00 |
Thats OK guys, but this site is still not POPARCHIVES.
Mrgd, the best live Genesis performances are for me with Gabriel (Paris, Sheperton, Lamb lies tour, Belgian TV...), not Seconds out.
Edited by pero - April 17 2007 at 05:00
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 05:25 |
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If I didn't like Phil when I was a kid, I would have never listened to Genesis, not decided to check their backcatalogue, wouldn't have checked other bands like Yes, King Crimson etc., and wouldn't have become a prog-fan. So thank you very much Mr.Collins, because thanks to you I've discovered the greatest music of the planet.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 05:38 |
Originally posted by Anthony
If I didn't like Phil when I was a kid, I would have never listened to Genesis, not decided to check their backcatalogue, wouldn't have checked other bands like Yes, King Crimson etc., and wouldn't have become a prog-fan. So thank you very much Mr.Collins, because thanks to you I've discovered the greatest music of the planet. |
Yup, that's right!
It went a bit like this for me:
In the Air Tonight --> Abacab --> And Then There Were Three --> Nursery Cryme --> Larks' Tongues In Aspic... prog fan...
Well, you get the picture 
Edited by Moogtron III - April 17 2007 at 05:39
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 06:31 |
Hey everyone.
In my opinion Phil Collins is very underrated. SOME OF HIS WORST OR CHEESIEST STUDIO SONGS ARE ALSO HIS MOST FAMOUS.
Take for instance, his first and second albums - Face Value and Hello I must Be Going. The first album is a definite classic and the second is nearly as good. You think I'm making this up! The majority of the songs on both albums are excellent. Just listen to it for yourself. Phil Collins has a GREAT sense of timing, rythym, songwriting singing etc. The list of great attributes could go on. Also, I can't NOT mention his FANTASTIC drumming, especially apparent in early Genesis. He played the drums MUSICALLY as opposed to just RYTHYMICALLY. As simply a drummer, Phil Collins has it all, but there's also a lot more. You will find great musicianship, great brass and great vocals on lots of his great recordings. The last point I'll make is that he was and still is GREAT LIVE! I saw him live only a few years ago and he still has a lot of his old magic.
Once you 'get' Phil Collins he'll stick with you - that was the case for me anyway. I think Phil Collins is one of the all-time great singer/song-writers. As I say, don't knock Phil Collins until you can seriously evaluate his first and second albums especially! I must also mention that his 1990 album But Seriously is also good (but listen to the early stuff first).
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 07:48 |
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2
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So have I - it's a bog in southern Ireland 
+++ sorry Bob +++
There's no doubting Collins has a great voice & his contribution to Genesis in the early days cannot be under-estimated, both as a drummer and later as vocalist/frontman - especially in the years 1976 - 1978.
My only real issues with the man are the direction he (and the others, of course) took Genesis in after 1981 or so when 'radio friendly' took over from 'Progressive Rock'
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 08:14 |
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His drumming cant be faulted, and there's not much wrong with his voice either. I agree with The Lost Chord about ATOTT. It's a masterpiece, on par with the best of the Gabriel era albums, IMO. I dont think they ever quite achieved that standard again, although everything up to and including Duke is excellent imo.
I can forgive him for his solo work - which I really dont like - because of his great contribution to one of the greatest bands ever. After all, I'm not obliged to listen to 'No Jacket Required' so I wont bother putting myself through the ordeal.
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Is this really happening? Phil Collins...
