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    Posted: May 07 2007 at 14:57
Decided to take the plunge and pick up The Dark Third the other night, gave it a listen last night.

Now surely it'll take several listens to really sink in, but it felt like pretty standard "new prog" space-rock with no real identity, and more than a few spots taken directly from Porcupine Tree of all people (I distinctly remember hearing the ending of Mellotron Scratch in there, as well as some generic PT riffs), not to mention a pretty blunt reference to the opening of Krimson's Moonchild.

This was the album that so many people say is bringing prog back, best album of '06?  Can someone clue me in on what I'm missing?  Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:05
I liked only "He tried to show them Magic" there, and few other songs like "Goshen Remains","Voices in Winter" and "Nimos and Tambos" caught my attention.A 2.5 stars album, nothing completely mind-blowing. Same goes to this year's GAZPACHO which I also picked because of PA hype. Relax and better concentrate on bands recommended by Assaf or Erik (some true gems here! )

But I like Modern Prog, don' get me wrong...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:07
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Decided to take the plunge and pick up The Dark Third the other night, gave it a listen last night.

Now surely it'll take several listens to really sink in, but it felt like pretty standard "new prog" space-rock with no real identity, and more than a few spots taken directly from Porcupine Tree of all people (I distinctly remember hearing the ending of Mellotron Scratch in there, as well as some generic PT riffs), not to mention a pretty blunt reference to the opening of Krimson's Moonchild.

This was the album that so many people say is bringing prog back, best album of '06?  Can someone clue me in on what I'm missing?  Ouch
 
I really don't know........I'm missing it too.
 
Have you read Teaflax's review? Didn't convince me, but it may help you.Wink


Edited by Snow Dog - May 07 2007 at 15:09
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:09
I've only heard their EP and that was severely disappointing.  Not heard Gazpacho yet.

P-J, Assaf did recommend Pure Reason Revoltion to me, so he's not always right. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:11
Count me in the group that couldn't find anything particularly special about this record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:15
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
I really don't know........I'm missing it too.
 
Have you read Teaflax's review? Didn't convince me, but it may help you.Wink


All it does is give me another reason to disagree with Teaflax on everything Embarrassed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:16
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Count me in the group that couldn't find anything particularly special about this record.


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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Not heard Gazpacho yet.


Avoid it.

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

P-J, Assaf did recommend Pure Reason Revoltion to me, so he's not always right. LOL


PRR is better than GAZPACHO anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:18
Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:19
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?
 
Frosted Gazpacho is very refreshing!
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:31
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?


GAZPACHO = moaning Steve Hogarth + worn out RADIOHEAD + some average post-rocky spots

FROST = pop harmonies + cheesy soundproducing + neo-prog-metal pointless rumble

Both are bad
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:34
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?
 
you only dislike Frost* because the music has recognisable melody...Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:35
Sounds like I'll positively hate it, maybe I should listen to it! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:36
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?
 
you only dislike Frost* because the music has recognisable melody...Tongue


So does Jethro Tull, but you hate them. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:55
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Decided to take the plunge and pick up The Dark Third the other night, gave it a listen last night.

Now surely it'll take several listens to really sink in, but it felt like pretty standard "new prog" space-rock with no real identity, and more than a few spots taken directly from Porcupine Tree of all people (I distinctly remember hearing the ending of Mellotron Scratch in there, as well as some generic PT riffs), not to mention a pretty blunt reference to the opening of Krimson's Moonchild.

This was the album that so many people say is bringing prog back, best album of '06?  Can someone clue me in on what I'm missing?  Ouch
 
Hi MOB,
 
Don't know if you are missing anything.
Although I added PRR to PA last year, it's one of the bands which to me are connceted to prog but not so tightly as others (but they do have proggish tendencies) along with some other on the site here, such as..... (take a guess....).
If it's the modern prog, I don't know.
And I wouldn't say they bring anything new or that they bring back prog. Nor would I say it is one of 2006 best. There are so many better albums from that year from all genres.
Other than that, I like the melodies, the vocals harmonies, the spacey mood, the long mellow riffs (of course I heard several influences and more than that in the songs, but it didn't bother me much).
When I first listened to it, I did know anything about it and did not expect anything, so that is perhaps why I was hooked with the music.
I think you should not put any hopes or expectations to it as you did (as you said, you heard/read people raving it as the album that brings prog back) but as a rock album, with nice melodies, etc.
As such, it's a more than decent album.
When you add the expectations, the album does not deliver those, at least for me and apparentely to you too.
 
Oh, and I don't particularly like Gazpacho as well, and here I can say that I had my hopes high which caused the initial disappointment. Then when I listened to it again and without those expectations, it did sound better. And overall it's a nice 3 stars (2.8-3.2 if you will) album. Not too exciting, but not that bad as well.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:56
I felt the same way on first listen, didn't get it at all but it's an album which I really warmed to. A very nice laid back album and one I find very atmospheric. Stick with it...Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 15:57
I get to see them at NEARFest, so I'll see if they're any better live
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 16:02
I like it. It's different from everything I have, and I hear no PT in there at all. It's spacey, but unusually so. It can be boring at times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 16:03
Originally posted by Atomic_Rooster Atomic_Rooster wrote:

I get to see them at NEARFest, so I'll see if they're any better live


Do you know if there are any more tickets available?  Robby and I want to go, but we missed the initial sales Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 16:10
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Are Gazpacho as bad as Frost*?


GAZPACHO = moaning Steve Hogarth + worn out RADIOHEAD + some average post-rocky spots

FROST = pop harmonies + cheesy soundproducing + neo-prog-metal pointless rumble

Both are bad
 
Cool equations. However, you're also the guy who said, in a review of Djam Karet's Live at Orion,
"Nice late KC-inspired instrumental Prog. I guess we all have heard dozens of bands of that kind, and I must admit DJAM KARET didn't impressed me that much (I know two bands which are usually compared with DM, and they're better ;) ). (...)  Recommended mostly for KC-devotees."
--> so why should anyone trust you? Wink
 
Frost is a classy band, with extremely proficient musicans whose delivery on the album is, to my ears, stunning. Not everyone has to like them, of course, but they are about a dozen times better and more refreshing and tasteful than the myriad of half-fainted neo-prog combos that have been lurking in the shades for twenty years now.
I also think highly of PRR. They're not virtuosos, they don't vary their approach too much from one song to another, and they tend to stay in 4/4 most of the time, but their music is very colourful, expressive. There's something charming about them - could be the naivity of Brit-pop and Beach Boys reminiscences, could be the intense electronic framework that holds some songs together, could be the dreamy, somewhat Floydian atmosphere, probably a combination of all... They're very good at creating their moods, and there's something passionate and youthful about their songs - this is how I feel them. The vocal harmonies are omnipresent, sometimes impressive and always beautiful and the kind that sticks to your brain for some time. I got to like them after a few listens, because I chose to trust them and let them sink in. Anyway, regardless of personal opinions, there clearly isn't any other band that sounds like them today, which is a pretty nice starting point for a career. If Porcupine Tree had sounded like this in '91, it wouldn't have taken them so long to get to where they are today.


Edited by Uroboros - May 07 2007 at 16:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2007 at 16:12
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Atomic_Rooster Atomic_Rooster wrote:

I get to see them at NEARFest, so I'll see if they're any better live


Do you know if there are any more tickets available?  Robby and I want to go, but we missed the initial sales Cry


well... I just did a search, and I didn't find any left; I think they sold out a month or two ago.  Keep an eye out though, some people may look to sell their tickets if they can't attend
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