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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 11:46
Originally posted by paolo.beenees paolo.beenees wrote:

I agree with Cuncuna: I prefer the Nice. The fact is that they shared an attitude, a free, cosmopolitan, light and anarchic one, you could find in England at the end of the 1960s, the years of "proto-progressive". From the same scene you can take also albums such as Traffic's "Mr Fantasy", Pink Floyd's "The Piper...", Small Faces' "Odgen Nut...", all testifying an era of great freedom and freshness, unprecedented and never really reached by other "scenes"


Absolutely! And the same goes for The Soft Machine, Vols. 1 & 2!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 11:55
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
 
 
Must be just you then.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 12:17
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
I'm quite a fan of the Nice, though - for the same basic reason; That the music is more "innocent" - they didn't really know what they were trying to achieve, but they were having a damned good time doing it.
 
Please give examples to back up your 'off the cuff' remark!
 
If your talking about his improv's on live recordings, then he can be forgiven for the 'odd fudge' whilst playing his keyboards 'up-side-down' or sticking a dagger or two into the ivories. In the studio he was a perfectionist !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 15:32
Originally posted by coleio coleio wrote:

But it's obvious some idiot would've eventually came in and gone, 'OMFGZ WUT R U T4LK1N ABOU7 , ELP IS TEH ROX!!!111' and lo & behold, we have an argumentative thread. Bah humbug.

You could say that about any thread though, and I'd hate to see the day that we stop discussing everything altogether for fear of offending "some idiot" - just let it be. After all, the idiots are greatly outnumbered... I hope LOL.

Anyways, I kind of agree, although I guess it depends on my mood - sometimes I just want to hear the perfectionist pretention of ELP, but more often than not I'm with the thread starter - a lot of the time it's nice to listen to great musicians when they're just not trying so hard to push themselves to the limit. As a musician myself I've personally found that the best music comes when you're just having fun and NOT trying really hard anyways, so I think that's generally a better approach to songwriting than "let's be as technical as possible!".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 17:00
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I don't know what is it, but somehow I feel more comfortable listening to The Nice than listening to ELP. The sound of The Nice is, well, Nice; I mean, it is more innocent, the musicianship is a bit inaccurate, and I get the sense of the musicians really enjoying themselves while playing. Also, the overall sound is much more playful and emotion driven. As Jodorowsky says, "too much perfection is a mistake", wich is how I feel about ELP. The young Keith Emerson is slowly growing on me, while his perfectionist late self is fading away.
 
For such a perfectionist, he certainly fudges quite a lot of notes in some of the ELP stuff, I've noticed Wink
 
I'm quite a fan of the Nice, though - for the same basic reason; That the music is more "innocent" - they didn't really know what they were trying to achieve, but they were having a damned good time doing it.
 
Please give examples to back up your 'off the cuff' remark!
 
If your talking about his improv's on live recordings, then he can be forgiven for the 'odd fudge' whilst playing his keyboards 'up-side-down' or sticking a dagger or two into the ivories. In the studio he was a perfectionist !
 
I am, in fact, talking about the studio albums, not the live ones - which are obviously excusable.
 
I reviewed ELP a while ago, and some observations with regard to Emerson's accuracy can be found there - it was one of the point-droppers for the album; http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=14141
 
 
Please start another thread if you really want to discuss the accuracy of Emerson - as I'm aware of the passion that ELP fans have for the band - but think carefully before you do, because as a perfectionist and classically trained pianist myself, I find Emerson to be far from perfect - and if you consider the imperfections to be as those in a jewel, then the argument is already pointless.
 
It doesn't stop the fudges from being there, though. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 17:08
of course Keith flubbed in the studio, so did Palmer. Never really bothered me, and I forgive it because they hadn't been a band for long before they started recording.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 18:31
I don't care how trained Cert is. I don't believe for a moment that Keith "fudges" any notes at all. Its all a bit arrogant if you ask me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:12
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I don't care how trained Cert is. I don't believe for a moment that Keith "fudges" any notes at all. Its all a bit arrogant if you ask me.


hahahha... people like Mark  serve the site in a particular capacity Ian ...

a technical advisor for the technical weenies and wonks out there....LOLWink




people don't need an art degree to appreciate art..  or to be a musician to appreciate prog. Fudged or not... who cares...  he defined the instrument  that defined prog.

plus... he was a 1st class showman, and just plain fun to listen to.  His resume.. not to mention his awards and accolades speak for themselves.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:33
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

people don't need an art degree to appreciate art..  or to be a musician to appreciate prog. Fudged or not... who cares...  he defined the instrument  that defined prog.

plus... he was a 1st class showman, and just plain fun to listen to.  His resume.. not to mention his awards and accolades speak for themselves.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:40
Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

people don't need an art degree to appreciate art..  or to be a musician to appreciate prog. Fudged or not... who cares...  he defined the instrument  that defined prog.

plus... he was a 1st class showman, and just plain fun to listen to.  His resume.. not to mention his awards and accolades speak for themselves.
 
Clap Exactly! Thanks for the clear-mindedness


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 20:11
"ELP revolutionized the 70's rock scene by introducing a new line-up format." - PA Biog,
or, pretty much the exact same line-up format as The Nice (post Davy O'List)
 
Elegy and Five Bridges defined what ELP would become, and I prefer these two albums over any of the ELP releases simply because I find them more interesting to listen too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2007 at 20:13
I agree, Five Bridges is absolutely essential to the whole movement.. and a great performance.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 02:42
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I don't care how trained Cert is. I don't believe for a moment that Keith "fudges" any notes at all. Its all a bit arrogant if you ask me.


hahahha... people like Mark  serve the site in a particular capacity Ian ...

a technical advisor for the technical weenies and wonks out there....LOLWink

 
Not sure if I like that description. It doesn't send out the sort of message that I would choose.
 
I just appreciate and discuss music in my own way - if you wanted me to get technical, I could start  Tongue
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


people don't need an art degree to appreciate art..  or to be a musician to appreciate prog. Fudged or not... who cares...  he defined the instrument  that defined prog.

plus... he was a 1st class showman, and just plain fun to listen to.  His resume.. not to mention his awards and accolades speak for themselves.
 
Exactly - there's no need to get upset about the fluffs, or go into some kind of bizarre denial over them - spotting the mistakes is not necessarily bashing the band, and not a reason for anyone who enjoys their music to stop (as if they would Wink).
 
Everyone can enjoy art in their own ways, of course - but the more you learn about it, the more you can appreciate it.
 
As I tried to imply with my "jewel" statement earlier - some ELP fans like the music  because of these little impefections, that can show the humanity of the musicians.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 07:43
I'm a huge ELP fan and the Nice were great too. Though Emerson was in both, IMO they should be qualified as seperate-The Nice being more on the psychedelic tip with some prog touches and ELP being full blown in your face prog. Both are great in their own right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2007 at 14:31
Sinkadus beat me to it. When I listen to the Nice I don`t even think of ELP. They were a great Psychedelic band with a neo-classical touch. A lot of those psychedelic bands from the sixties were not perfect and that`s why some of them could communicate to that generation. 
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