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Vibrationbaby
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Topic: The Nice (I think I like it better). Posted: May 28 2007 at 14:31 |
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Sinkadus beat me to it. When I listen to the Nice I don`t even think of ELP. They were a great Psychedelic band with a neo-classical touch. A lot of those psychedelic bands from the sixties were not perfect and that`s why some of them could communicate to that generation.
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sinkadus
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 07:43 | |||
I'm a huge ELP fan and the Nice were great too. Though Emerson was in both, IMO they should be qualified as seperate-The Nice being more on the psychedelic tip with some prog touches and ELP being full blown in your face prog. Both are great in their own right.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 02:42 | |||
Not sure if I like that description. It doesn't send out the sort of message that I would choose.
I just appreciate and discuss music in my own way - if you wanted me to get technical, I could start
Exactly - there's no need to get upset about the fluffs, or go into some kind of bizarre denial over them - spotting the mistakes is not necessarily bashing the band, and not a reason for anyone who enjoys their music to stop (as if they would ).
Everyone can enjoy art in their own ways, of course - but the more you learn about it, the more you can appreciate it.
As I tried to imply with my "jewel" statement earlier - some ELP fans like the music because of these little impefections, that can show the humanity of the musicians.
Edited by Certif1ed - May 28 2007 at 02:43 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 20:13 | |||
I agree, Five Bridges is absolutely essential to the whole movement.. and a great performance.
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Dean
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 20:11 | |||
"ELP revolutionized the 70's rock scene by introducing a new line-up format." - PA Biog,
or, pretty much the exact same line-up format as The Nice (post Davy O'List)
Elegy and Five Bridges defined what ELP would become, and I prefer these two albums over any of the ELP releases simply because I find them more interesting to listen too.
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micky
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:40 | |||
thanks... I love clappies.... |
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ClassicRocker
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:33 | |||
Exactly! Thanks for the clear-mindedness
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micky
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 19:12 | |||
hahahha... people like Mark serve the site in a particular capacity Ian ... a technical advisor for the technical weenies and wonks out there.... people don't need an art degree to appreciate art.. or to be a musician to appreciate prog. Fudged or not... who cares... he defined the instrument that defined prog. plus... he was a 1st class showman, and just plain fun to listen to. His resume.. not to mention his awards and accolades speak for themselves. Edited by micky - May 27 2007 at 19:22 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 18:31 | |||
I don't care how trained Cert is. I don't believe for a moment that Keith "fudges" any notes at all. Its all a bit arrogant if you ask me.
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 17:08 | |||
of course Keith flubbed in the studio, so did Palmer. Never really bothered me, and I forgive it because they hadn't been a band for long before they started recording.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 17:00 | |||
I am, in fact, talking about the studio albums, not the live ones - which are obviously excusable.
I reviewed ELP a while ago, and some observations with regard to Emerson's accuracy can be found there - it was one of the point-droppers for the album; http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=14141
Please start another thread if you really want to discuss the accuracy of Emerson - as I'm aware of the passion that ELP fans have for the band - but think carefully before you do, because as a perfectionist and classically trained pianist myself, I find Emerson to be far from perfect - and if you consider the imperfections to be as those in a jewel, then the argument is already pointless.
It doesn't stop the fudges from being there, though. |
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Ty1020
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 15:32 | |||
You could say that about any thread though, and I'd hate to see the day that we stop discussing everything altogether for fear of offending "some idiot" - just let it be. After all, the idiots are greatly outnumbered... I hope . Anyways, I kind of agree, although I guess it depends on my mood - sometimes I just want to hear the perfectionist pretention of ELP, but more often than not I'm with the thread starter - a lot of the time it's nice to listen to great musicians when they're just not trying so hard to push themselves to the limit. As a musician myself I've personally found that the best music comes when you're just having fun and NOT trying really hard anyways, so I think that's generally a better approach to songwriting than "let's be as technical as possible!". |
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Progger
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 12:17 | |||
Please give examples to back up your 'off the cuff' remark!
If your talking about his improv's on live recordings, then he can be forgiven for the 'odd fudge' whilst playing his keyboards 'up-side-down' or sticking a dagger or two into the ivories. In the studio he was a perfectionist !
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 11:55 | |||
Sometimes I wonder if your away with the fairies.
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fuxi
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 11:46 | |||
Absolutely! And the same goes for The Soft Machine, Vols. 1 & 2! Edited by fuxi - May 27 2007 at 11:47 |
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paolo.beenees
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 08:59 | |||
I agree with Cuncuna: I prefer the Nice. The fact is that they shared an attitude, a free, cosmopolitan, light and anarchic one, you could find in England at the end of the 1960s, the years of "proto-progressive". From the same scene you can take also albums such as Traffic's "Mr Fantasy", Pink Floyd's "The Piper...", Small Faces' "Odgen Nut...", all testifying an era of great freedom and freshness, unprecedented and never really reached by other "scenes" (Punk, for instance, managed to regain the same anarchic approach, but gave up experimentation and cross-over influences, and that was a pity). Therefore, Jackson's harsh voice and the several "imperfections" you can find in the Nice make them a rock band in the true sense of this word. By the way, I don't think that Jackson (as a bass player) and Davidson are inferior to Lake and Palmer (they are different, but not inferior).
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salmacis
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 08:11 | |||
I find The Nice's albums (save the debut, which holds up well as a cohesive statement, imho) to be rather hit and miss with rather poor vocals. However, they have their moments. But given the choice between these or ELP, it would simply have to be the latter for me. With the exception of 'Jeremy Bender' and 'Are You Ready Eddy', I like their first 5 albums in their entirety, pretty much. As for Emerson's occasional 'bum notes', I don't let them bother me and IMHO, they add a certain raw edge to a band often dismissed as being clinical. I play keyboard myself, and whilst I can approximate or come close to some of what Rick Wakeman or Tony Banks are playing (by ear, at least- I haven't really read music since my keyboard lessons a fair while back), there is hardly anything of Emerson's that I can play... |
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Progger
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 07:33 | |||
I don't think you listen to much of The Nice. Their albums had many ballads, 'Hang on to a Dream' being the most famous!
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fuxi
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 07:07 | |||
You could say the same about Yes. There's a certain roughness about their debut album which gives it a warmer feel than, say, FRAGILE. I find some of the tracks (e.g. "Beyond and Before", "Every little thing") thoroughly enjoyable.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 04:01 | |||
No - it's definitely Emerson.
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