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    Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:42
I don't know why Dredg is on this site, cause they aren't prog at all, they're just alternative
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:43
According to some arguments I have seen, it depends on which albums you hear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:46
El Cielo is a real gem ... it's surely not prog rock in a Yes or Genesis sense, but it fully deserves to be listed here.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 12:47
Their  Catch Without Arms album is their most alternative rock album in their discography, but El Cielo has some bits of prog in it. I kind of agree with you here. I really like El Cielo, but I don't see it as proggy as I used to.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 13:58
 I think the main reason is Leitmotif. Great, beautiful, simple album with full developed concept throughout all songs. El Cielo is amazing too, but Leitmotif is the gem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 14:42
they are arguably as "Progressive" as any band out there today. And they do have elements of Progressive Rock without question.

but more of the point is..they're a band that appeal to fans of Prog and plain and simple, a band well worth checking out!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 15:43
No prog in my ears

To be honest I still dont get all the fuzz about them, I have El Cielo and I find it kinda boring
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 15:57
Dredg is prog, alternative has means of making a prog expression (not every such music, of course, but some).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 17:03
I don't care actually.. I know there's quite a few people who wouldn't have bothered to listen to them if they WEREN'T included here! Wink And they are definitely worth a listen or two!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 17:25
El Cielo  has its moments, but Leitmotif is flawless. 
 
Its what got me into them in the first place
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 18:55
They're not going to be kicked out, so these discussions are fruitless. My advice is, if you don't think they're prog or even good, just ignore them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 19:00
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Their  Catch Without Arms album is their most alternative rock album in their discography, but El Cielo has some bits of prog in it. I kind of agree with you here. I really like El Cielo, but I don't see it as proggy as I used to.



I share your opinion. I think dredg should be moved to Prog Related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 20:28
Once again, it's the "progressive" vs. "prog" thing...

For some reason I think dredg is amazing.   The first time i heard Catch Without Arms I hated it, but they really grew on me and if you listen carefully their music is very complex and intricately layered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2007 at 21:53
In my opinion Leitmotif was great,and definately progressive. The problem is that they've gone downhill since then. El Cielo was kinda boring and catch without arms was barely listneable. But Leitmotif is one of the most unique and interesting albums i've heard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 01:53
knowing their fanbase..it's very divided on which album is the best, favorite, etc..EL CIELO artistically is extremely thought out and finely crafted. I mean it's based on a Salvador Dali painting for freaking sake.

Also the production is 2nd to none. Why do you think it came out in a 5.1 format in the 1st place??

Not to mention the fact it synchronizes with ETERNAL SUNSHINE..lol

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 07:24
Dredg are one of the best Art Rock bands out there.  They are more than deserving of their spot on this site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:14
well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:17
Originally posted by Winand007 Winand007 wrote:

well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet
 
"didn't liked it" = Not Prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:20
Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

Dredg are one of the best Art Rock bands out there.  They are more than deserving of their spot on this site.
 
I'll second that.  I believe they fit just fine as an art rock band.  Just because a band doesn't sound like one of the prog masters (Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) in and of itself is not a reason to classify a band as non-prog.  We all have different tastes and different ideas to what prog can be.
 
I, for one, use some odd criteria for judging whether something is prog.  One of my criteria is the "general public" factor.  For example, is the band I'm listening to create music that is too advanced for the general public to understand or even appreciate?  In this case, El Cielo and Leitmotif fit that criteria.  The music is too good to ever get radio play.
 
Another criteria I use is the "push the envelope" test.  For example, does the band create music that pushes beyond the standard music formula.  The key here is that I'm not comparing them to the 70's prog masters, few bands outside Anglagard and Anekdoten could achieve that comparison.  Rather, I am comparing them to their contemporary peers.  I can think of nothing in the current popular music scene that approaches Dredg's first two albums.
 
El Cielo is an ambitious and artistic endeavor based on an odd concept / inspiration.  And if you've never heard the 5.1 SACD version, you're doing yourself a great disservice.  This is an album that really was designed to play like a soundtrack and in 5.1 it really shines in its ability to convey a very well styled mood.
 
I will agree that Catch Without Arms is more of an alternative album than an art rock album, but there are countless bands here that straddle the grey area between prog and non-prog some time in their careers.  And some of those bands, Jethro Tull and Rush for example, are considered stalwarts of the progressive rock scene!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:25
Originally posted by Winand007 Winand007 wrote:

well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet


You should at least listen to El Cielo, I think it's their best in my opinion.  But I also think Catch Without Arms is their weakest, so don't judge them on that album alone.
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