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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 18:01



Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 18:09
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

The world would be a much better place if everyone read more Kropotkin.
  Are you sure of that?
 
Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

 
I'm personally an anarcho-communist, but I'm not ignorant enough to say that it would work out, especially not with the way the world is today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2008 at 21:38
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the way the world (as it) is today.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:10

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 12:36
^ Yeah. Joe is really starting to piss me off. You can have different views from the 2 major parties,  but it's just such a dick move to cal yourself a democrat and support the Republican party where it counts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 21:19
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This is a desperate cry. BTW they already did kick him out. He's one of a few Democrats (or rather ex-Dem) who is a real centrist and not bound by idiotic party loyalty rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 00:27
From the online paper today....though I doubt it was really Jesse who posted it....

Narrow definitions are the rule in politics

One way to "win" an argument is to control the meaning of the terms used and the Republicans have understood this better than the Democrats for decades. Thus "fiscal responsibility" can mean spending billions of dollars that the government doesn't have while cutting taxes for the wealthy; "defending freedom" can mean taking away civil rights and stifling the freedom of the press; "equality" can mean protecting the rich and powerful from incursions by minorities into the best colleges in America; "values" can mean enshrining narrow "Christian" tenets held by a vocal few into the law of the land; and why they can claim that "Hollywood elites" have infested the Democratic Party while failing to mention the stars in their own party such as Bob Hope, Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Dennis Hopper, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Fred Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston or Ronald Reagan. That's just a sample of the doublespeak that has been the norm for the "right" since 1980. The Republicans have controlled the White House and/or the Congress for 26 of the past 28 years and yet they still proclaim the baldfaced lie that everything that's wrong in America is somebody else's fault. That's why "Country First" rings hollow- because most of us who make up the country don't count as far as the Republican Party is concerned. Their interests are narrow, their terms are narrow, their minds are narrow. The Republican Party needs to regain real conservative values, not the pseudoconservative values that they've acten upon for most of the past 30 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 10:11
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

The Republican Party needs to regain real conservative values, not the pseudoconservative values that they've acten upon for most of the past 30 years.



I couldn't agree more with this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:02
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


This is a desperate cry. BTW they already did kick him out. He's one of a few Democrats (or rather ex-Dem) who is a real centrist and not bound by idiotic party loyalty rules.


"What, after all, is a Democrat like me doing at a Republican convention like this?"
Joe Lieberman

He wasn't kicked out,  He ran as an independent when he was defeated in the primary.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:17
^ LOLClap

love the GOP  the same party whose idea ... mindset of inclusiveness and loyalty  is forcing people in church congregations who supported Kerry to get out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:53
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

The Republican Party needs to regain real conservative values, not the pseudoconservative values that they've acten upon for most of the past 30 years.



I couldn't agree more with this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 12:35
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

The Republican Party needs to regain real conservative values, not the pseudoconservative values that they've acten upon for most of the past 30 years.



I couldn't agree more with this.


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I'm afraid 30 years back doesn't encompass Nixon. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2008 at 19:13

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals

According to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy. For the approximately 147,000 families that make up the top 0.1 percent of the income scale, the difference between the two plans is stark. While McCain offers a $269,364 tax cut, Obama would raise their taxes, on average, by $701,885 - a difference of nearly $1 million.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:45
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals

According to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy. For the approximately 147,000 families that make up the top 0.1 percent of the income scale, the difference between the two plans is stark. While McCain offers a $269,364 tax cut, Obama would raise their taxes, on average, by $701,885 - a difference of nearly $1 million.

This is not to comment on the merits or drawbacks of either plan...
 
The top 1% pays nearly 40% of personal income tax. Let's assume the total revenues from personal income tax is $2B (the real number must be lower). So the rich chip in $800B. If Obama raises their tax bracket by 10% he will rake in $80B more. Assume he'll leave the remaining tax brackets alone, no decrease, no increase. Also if he withdraws from Iraq, we'll save another $400B (today's budget deficit).
 
A simple question for you: where is he going to get the money for his proposed $400B to $500B healthcare plan?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:02
Obama has publicly stated that he's not interested in balancing the budget at all in his first term, and possibly not at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:27
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Obama has publicly stated that he's not interested in balancing the budget at all in his first term, and possibly not at all.
Has he really? How special is that. I suppose McCain too has other priorities. Another 15-20 years of such reckless policy will reduce the middle class to poverty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:20
Here we go again.  Lehman "too big to fail".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 16:20
Is WaMu gonna be next?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 08:07

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:44
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

From the online paper today....though I doubt it was really Jesse who posted it....<h3>Narrow definitions are the rule in politics</h3>

One way to "win"
an argument is to control the meaning of the terms used and the
Republicans have understood this better than the Democrats for decades.
Thus "fiscal responsibility" can mean spending billions of dollars that
the government doesn't have while cutting taxes for the wealthy;
"defending freedom" can mean taking away civil rights and stifling the
freedom of the press; "equality" can mean protecting the rich and
powerful from incursions by minorities into the best colleges in
America; "values" can mean enshrining narrow "Christian" tenets held by
a vocal few into the law of the land; and why they can claim that
"Hollywood elites" have infested the Democratic Party while failing to
mention the stars in their own party such as Bob Hope, Clint Eastwood,
Mel Gibson, Dennis Hopper, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Fred Thompson,
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston or Ronald Reagan.
That's just a
sample of the doublespeak that has been the norm for the "right" since
1980.

<span ="postedBy">posted by jesseventura on Sep 6, 08 at 10:10 pm</span>


That element has bothered me for the last several years. Why is it so wrong for a person of any status to show support for a candidate or party (they won't change my mind!).

What is worse? A famous person SAYING what they want or more notably VOTING FOR/GETTING several FAMOUS people into office (Eastwood, Reagan, Schwarz). Neither is really bad, but that fact that there is such a HUGE freaking double standard there is ridiculous. They do it every year to, even now including Obama as a "celebrity" while Schwarz still sits in office and Reagan is still worshiped as a god. Not to mention the campaign of (as mentioned) Fred Thompson.
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