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    Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:46
Whatever happened to this band.  I can find nothing on the internet to indicate what they are doing at the moment, and getting their CDs now are a virtual impossibility.
 
 
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I don´t know about the band... the movie is pretty good though!
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A very good band el bothy.
 
If you like Genesis of 71-73 era you will love them
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Evening. I've been meaning to join for ages, and, er...now I have!

Many thanks for the nice things people have said about "Somewhere But Yesterday"...can't quite believe it was 14 years ago?!  Or, indeed, that it would ever be viewed so favourably!

SO - what happened to Citizen Cain...?

I mainly ended-up in a Scottish Ceilidh-Jazz-Prog-Folk-Covers-Anything! band, called WildGeese, which finally dissolved in 2003, when I became a full-time dad. Nick Arkless played the drums in it, too, for a while...1997-2000-ish..?? I'm slowly trying to get back into music, inevitably through the MySpace route:

www.myspace.com/andygilmour

and I write generally-music-related screeds of (allegedly humorous) nonsense at:

www.andyhgilmour.blogspot.com

Alistair the (excellent) guitarist is currently in a (very successful) club covers band (amongst other projects) in Australia, and seems to be doing extremely well for himself.

As for George - sorry, but after all the cripplingly-long rehearsal sessions in Nick's basement I can't refer to him as 'Cyrus' :-) - and Stewart, well, I bumped into George on a bus in Edinburgh about 5 years ago, and he,too, was talking of heading to Oz, but apart from that...er..no idea.

Someone identifying themselves as Stewart sort-of made email contact over a year ago, but didn't respond to my reply...

Mind you, given the way the rest of us have gone, if you find yourself on a cruise ship, listening to a keyboards-and-vocals/flute duo who sound a bit like Peter Gabriel singing with Tony Banks/Mark Kelly, well....who knows?

All the best from Dunfermline, Scotland

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 19:31
nice to have you Andy!
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Crikey!  Didnt expect that.. Brilliant thanks.
 
Now whatever happened to The Beatles Wink
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"Mind you, given the way the rest of us have gone, if you find yourself on a cruise ship, listening to a keyboards-and-vocals/flute duo who sound a bit like Peter Gabriel singing with Tony Banks/Mark Kelly, well....who knows?" Quote   
 
LOL  ITS THE BEATLES!
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Nice to see you keeping well Andy - Junk and Donuts and To Dance The Enamel Faced Queen are still two of my favourite songs ever :)
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Jalist, how very nice of you to say so!

J&D was the only song on the album mostly written by Ally. He played the intro on my old (& battered) B&M cheapo classical guitar - which he had to tune slightly 'wrong' so that the intonation was just-about-passable higher-up the fretboard. :-)

It was a nice excuse for some fretless diddling-about, too!

As for the beatles...hmmm...more The Rutles, I'd say...

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Originally posted by Frippertron

A very good band el bothy.
 
If you like Genesis of 71-73 era you will love them

But for that I already have GenesisWink
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Ah. My personal bug-bear about ALL the reviews comes back again.... "Genesis"! :-)

Sure, George's voice is a dead ringer for early Gabriel. And his lyrics probably make even less sense, in all honesty (and there were far too many of them in almost all the songs - not enough guitar solos!) :-)

And Stewart could have been less "Marillion-friendly" in his choice of sh-101 patches, absolutely.

But get beyond those (admittedly major) factors, and a lot of the actual music doesn't sound so much like Genesis to me...

Oddly enough, I'd never even heard Gabriel-era Genesis until I joined Citizen Cain, and had to learn Firth of Fifth (intended for live gigs that never quite happened). Personally, I don't rate Mike Rutherford as either a bass player or guitarist - my style at the time was influenced by Chris Squire, John Glascock (the mighty TULL!!), Danny Thompson, Alan Thompson (John Martyn), players like that. And I tried to slip my own ideas in wherever possible [hey, I'm not entirely without ego - I mean, who can honestly say they've achieved that?  (my ultimate personal guitar god) Robert Fripp's "I'm going to sit over here in the dark" stance, gets very close,possibly, although even he's been caught on video giving it big-time "lead guitarist" facial contortions... :-) ].

Maybe it's because I was so immersed in it, but to my ears there's certainly a fair bit of Jethro Tull (and maybe others) buried away in SBY. But then I'm biased, so I wouldn't trust my opinion, even if I were me. Which I am. Probably. Although proving it beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law could be tricky. So..er..yes.


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Citizen Cain are currently recording there new album "And The Skies Darkened", to be released by Festival Music in 2009. The C-Cain back catalogue will also be re-released by them later this year.

They no longer have the "citizen-cain" domain name but the website is still accessible through:

http://www.myspace.com/citizencaincitizencain .

The website hasnt been updated for a long while and shouldnt be used for orders (please visit www.f2music.co.uk for info on release dates, orders etc) Latest news will be posted on the myspace page and you can contact the band via that page also. Thanks for listening guys.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Frippertron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 13:35

Brilliant!!

 
You ask for a lil bit of help on ProgArchives and get a lot more than you bargained for in return.

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Afternoon.

I emailed the record company about the back catalogue a couple of weeks ago, but haven't received a reply...

So I've dropped the guys in the band a message, but I'm not sure quite what's going-on there.

Oh, and if anyone was wondering (yeah, right!) what sort of nonsense I'm doing now, something of an acoustic, dogme-style mini-production can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxiraVK9lxs

:-)

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Originally posted by Frippertron

Whatever happened to this band.  I can find nothing on the internet to indicate what they are doing at the moment, and getting their CDs now are a virtual impossibility.
 
 


That's right! All of they're cd are out of stock. No news from their web site since 2002??? They were supposed to put out a new one, no news. You can still listen to them here : http://www.myspace.com/citizencaincitizencain
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DamoXt7942 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 17:48
So difficult for us to get the important three pieces - Serpents In Camouflage, Somewhere But Yesterday, and Raising The Stones.
And more difficult to get Playing Dead...at least for me. :-)
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Good heavens, and here I thought that was just the name of a Julian Cope album.

Looks like I have some research to do.
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To get some of their albums for us is more difficult than to float up in the forum for the thread. LOL
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