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explodingjosh View Drop Down
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    Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:11

I originally posted this in errors/ omissions but was told to give it a try here. PA currently considers Dir En Grey to be prog, so I guess this post is in the right place. I usually don't care whether a band is on here or not, or if they should be in this sub-genre or that one, but this was bugging me because it seems like a mistake.

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I have been very confused since I noticed that Dir En Grey was included on this site. I saw them at the Family Values Tour last summer with Korn and the Deftones, and I was thinking: "this can't be the same band, this band is not progressive or prog at all."

Sure enough, it was the same Japanese theatrical metal band. I've researched this band using this site, Wikipedia (which I believe is a reliable source for this subject) and some other fan sites and amazon.com reviews.

I don't think that the "Visual Kei" concept is good enough for inclusion to PA because it really has nothing to do with the music. (Personally, on a side-note, I think its just a fancy excuse to wear make-up and women's clothing, something Poison was great at 20 years ago).

I looked at the reviews for "Withering to Death", their 4.13-rated "masterpiece" and none of the reviewers mention progressiveness or any other qualities of the band that would lead me to believe that they should be included.

I think that this band is just an alternative band. I realize that they have some depth to their sound, but I don't think it's enough for PA.

Look at the video (on this site) called "Clever Sleazoid" and tell me if you see anything progressive going on. I don't. I just see a modern rock band.

Check this out too, its on their page on PA: Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com : If you want to know Japan's original rock music, you must begin by the group that is successful, somewhat world-wide known, but still alternative and still playing what they really want: Dir en grey.
^^^^well alright....?

I just want to be informed, educated on why this band is on PA, because I can't see anything on PA that justifies their inclusion.

(I know that my personal opinion of a band has Nothing to do with whether they will or will not be on this site, but, by the way, I thought they were terrible at the Family Values Tour... Maybe their extreme sound is good on record [I said "maybe" because I think its awful], but live, it was horrible, almost unidentifiable.)

Either I'm right, or somebody needs to throw me a bone.


What do you think?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:26
First of all, they're in prog-related (I believe), which means the site identifies them as non-prog, with some progressive elements or influences. I haven't heard enough by them myself to properly judge them though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2007 at 19:49
Confused woops. Have they always been in Prog-Related??? I could've sworn they were somewhere else. Maybe they moved when Art Rock split.

Well, my argument sucks now.LOL I still think Prog-Related is a stretch. They were on that Family Values Tour for a reason. To me, having them on PA is like having Deftones, Korn, Lacuna Coil, or Flyleaf here. Doesn't seem right.

Anyways, I mind as well say it myself.... pointless thread.


Edited by explodingjosh - September 28 2007 at 19:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2007 at 20:24
I haven't appreciated their music ....
As well as La'cryma Christi, I supposed they have released  at least 1 progressive album. La'cryma Christi is very famous as visual kei band, but Sculpture Of Time is also known as a progressive masterpiece. Dir En Grey isn't such case??? Embarrassed
By the way, progressive rock is very obscure. I always say what you think it is prog is prog. Styx / Cristal Ball, Styx / The Grand Illusion, Gino Vannelli / The Gist Of The Gemini, Journey / Dream  After Dream, I Pooh / Un Po'Del Nostro Tempo Migliore, Caterina Caselli / Primavera, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso / Canto Di Primavera, etc there are many controversial cases. Smile 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2007 at 22:12

They always seemed like pop music to me. If you disagree, I only have one thing to say to you: visit Japan.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2007 at 02:02
Their more recent stuff is certainly not anything related to prog (these days they just sound like a silly Korn clone). Try their older stuff; you might find it more agreeable. Don't go past Withering to Death or you'll just annoy yourself.

I won't argue with them as being prog-related, but I'd take issue if they were in the main Archives. Fortunately, I don't have to. Tongue

Now I just have to find a way to get BG out to preserve the Prog order. Ouch


Edited by Gamemako - September 29 2007 at 02:03
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