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    Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:21
This is a thread that I didn't dare to put on the "Suggest new bands" section...... because this thread is meant to value Yngwie's progressiveness.

First of all, I know I created a very similar thread; that one was an attempt to appreciate Malmsteen bashed stuff. But this thread is different; we're gonna discuss if Y. M. really deserves to be, at least, more mentioned on the archives. 'Cause I know there's a rule I did read somewhere: one prog album from a band/artist is enough for it to be added. I think that means no matter how prolific the artist could be. Please tell if I'm not mistaken about that statement.

Now, Malmsteen is certainly a very prolific musician. So, I think this debate will be (and so I'd like too) focused just on his first release: Rising Force. It's a hell of an album, prog or not....... Wait........ prog? Or not? Progressive metal? Prog related? Instead of making a simple poll, I decided to bring it to a free discuss to share the diversity of opinions. Personally I find quite prog metal hints on it....... Dunno what about you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:24
He is one of the most inspirational figures of our time...especially for guitar players. He recieves a lot more bashing then he deserves...because most people say he sucks...but has a fact, hate all shredding guitarists. I thought he has done a few good things...but he repeated himself way too much to the point were it all sounds the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:28
^ That's why I consider only his first album worth enough to debate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:49

I think that Jens Johanssen is a formiddable keyboardist as well.

The first album lists Barriemore Barlow as the drummer.  Isn't he the Jethro Tull drummer?   I would never have made a connection with Malmsteen and Jethro Tull; but then again JT did with a grammy for Heavy Metal album of the year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:52
^ Hahaha..... that's right...... As far as I'm concerned, there's no connection between that grammy and the fact that Barlow joined Rising Force.... he only was asked to join Yngwie's band, who, as you can see, creates a kinda "dream team" xD...... Jeff Scott Soto is also a very good vocalist (and I don't like metal-related singers!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:54
the shredders (Malmsteen, George Bellas, Greg Howe, many others) don't seem to be of much interest here...  the first Rising Force album is most definitely progressive for its time


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2007 at 02:58
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

^ Hahaha..... that's right...... As far as I'm concerned, there's no connection between that grammy and the fact that Barlow joined Rising Force.... he only was asked to join Yngwie's band, who, as you can see, creates a kinda "dream team" xD...... Jeff Scott Soto is also a very good vocalist (and I don't like metal-related singers!)
 
Barrie wouldn't and didn't join the band - he didn't really like the experience of working with Yngwie, who was too much of a control freak. Barrie had had enough of control freaks working with Ian...
 
Listen to his drumming on that first album - you wouldn't think it was Barrie, as it's uninspired and mechanical.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2007 at 05:28
^ In comparison to his work with J-Tull, it does sound mechanical. But as non prog, it would be hard to match his work in Rising Force IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2007 at 07:34
I haven't listened to any of his albums from the last 10 years and I'm not even sure how many he's put out since then but from the earlier stuff I enjoyed Odyssey the most which was full of great melodic songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 06:15
I think Rising Force is Prog Related, although the guitar may be highly technical (not so much now, but at the time though), but the compositions in my mind did not, even for its time, incorporate enough progressive elements to be considered purely neo-classical prog metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 12:53
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I think that Jens Johanssen is a formidable keyboardist as well.

 
 
Agreed, but it needed Jonas Hellborg to resue the Johansson brothers from YM - so the story goes - and give them some musically challenges. Just a major pity Jens is paying for his pension playing with Strativarius. However, there is hope with his appearance on Art Metal.
 
In the meanwhile YM's Inspirations is the only album that does  anything for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 16:49
If there are Black Sabbath, there should be Yngwie too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 17:00
Originally posted by Aeternus Aeternus wrote:

If there are Black Sabbath, there should be Yngwie too.
 
AgreedClap i think that if Black Sabbath is in the prog related category, surely there should be Malsmsteen in there, because he did certainly inspire many bands to incorporate more progressive elements into their music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 17:50
I like shredding, but Malmsteen embodies what is wrong with metal to me


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 01:29
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

I like shredding, but Malmsteen embodies what is wrong with metal to me
 
Which features in particular do you dislike about Malmsteen?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 14:41
"donut...?"    "YOU UNLEASHED THE %#ING FURY! /ROAR! Angry"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 16:08
LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 17:07
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Aeternus Aeternus wrote:

If there are Black Sabbath, there should be Yngwie too.
 
AgreedClap i think that if Black Sabbath is in the prog related category, surely there should be Malsmsteen in there, because he did certainly inspire many bands to incorporate more progressive elements into their music.
 
Such as?
 
What Malmsteen really inspired was a new generation of sweep-pickers.
 
One single technique - that is all, as far as I can see, and one that was already perfected by the likes of Holdsworth, Zappa and Vai.
 
That he chose to sweep-pick using mainly Baroque Italian stylisations is interesting - but Blackmore et al had been incorporating quasi-Baroque styles for 2 decades of so before Yngwie.
 
Yngwie, specifically "Rising Force" was a kind of figurehead - one that was dropped pretty quickly when it was realised he was a bit of a one-trick pony.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 17:13
well yes, but he also pioneered several important if simple techniques which created 'effects' now often used, such as continuous right hand muting, picking *each* note at previously unheard of precision and speeds (not even Uli was doing this, the only one coming close being Di Meola but in a Fusion context), and a tonal matrix imitated frequently now




 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 02:49
So a guy goes and uses a ton of classical scales and modes over and over and over... BUT AT REALLY FAST SPEEDS!!!!

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