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Dim
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Topic: Peter Gabriel - Ian Anderson Posted: December 01 2007 at 13:38 |
The costumes were just a great way to up the attitude of the concert,. Though almost distracting from the music, the crazy antics of Peter Gabriel were know WAY outside the prog community.
So both Yorkie and Ivan are right.
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Abrawang
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Posted: December 01 2007 at 00:51 |
You're right but I was hypothesizing Gabriel doing Tull's music with the Tull band versus Anderson doing Genesis music with the rest of Genesis. Anyway, I'm sticking with Gabriel.
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Casting doubt on all I have to say...
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Posted: November 30 2007 at 00:01 |
^ but that's not really a good example because Tull is, for the most part, Ian Anderson... you can't swap for Anderson, he'd turn you into Jethro Tull
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Abrawang
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 23:52 |
I like both singers quite a bit but I tried this test - what if the bands had swapped singers? I'd say that Gabriel would have made Tull quite a bit more interesting while Anderson would have cost Genesis a lot of its quirky charm. So Gabriel it is.
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Komodo dragon
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Posted: November 26 2007 at 12:42 |
Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson
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Posted: November 26 2007 at 06:55 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Some Genesis members (two to be precise) were jealous because people went to the concerts more interested in Gabriel than in the rest of the band. |
I wonder who.......
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 25 2007 at 18:58 |
Yorkie X wrote:
As far as his costumes go I see this as a reflection of his bi polar personalty more so than an artistic expression. I believe those costume changes were not necessary and probably got in the way for the rest of the band. |
The costumes started because Genesis was a band with very limited resources, while Howe had 3 or 4 guitars and Wakeman has a 360° degrees keyboard and Emerson came into the show in flying pianos, all Genesis members had only one set of instruments, as a fact their concerts in England didn't gave them enough money to get at least a second set of instruments, so they had to tune them between songs, this took several minutes and was boring (this was said by Anthony Phillips, because he used to tell the stories before Peter and got a terrible stage phobia). I believe Mike Rutherford also said it in Genesis a History
All the bands had a show but Genesis couldn't afford it and teir act was really boring, lets see:
- Gabriel before the costumes used to sing with his arms crossed in a square meter without any movement.
- Mike Rutherford was hidding behind the speakers in the left side of the stage (from audience perspective).
- Steve Hackett sat in a chair and never rised his head.
- Tony was buried in his keyboards and never was part of the show unlike Wakeman with his capes or Emerson rubbing ribbons in his arse.
- Phil was the only one capable of helping Pete but he was in his drum kit.
Look at the photto in my signature, that was tyhe exact position they weere almost always
So only the people who really loved their music, went to see them, while Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP. Jethro Tull, etc were doing amazing shows that captured the audience...Lets face it, they were kids in a men business, they were the younger of the pioneers and nobody knew them, so nobody took them seriously.
In one of that shows in an empty Box arena of Dublin on Sept 28, 1972. if I'm not wrong, Peter used the famous red dress and the Fox head, the next day they were front page in all the papers and the next concerts gathered crowds to see what Peter was going to do.
So if the costumes bothered the rest of the band, they were very cheap, being that those costumes placed food on their tables when nobody wanted them, except in Italy.
Now, another problem was the lyrics, you can listen The Musical Box for centuries and if you don't read the little story in the cover, you won't understand what the f*ck they are talking about, the costumes and the stories helped people understand the very complex lyrics, Peter's body language when asking to touch Cinthya's hair and skin speak more than a million words.
This was Genesis before the costumes:
This was Genesis after the costumes:
So the costumes were a need for Genesis, without them, they would had vanished as many great bands and very few would remember the wonderful music they made.
Some Genesis members (two to be precise) were jealous because people went to the concerts more interested in Gabriel than in the rest of the band.
He was able to create a very good show with very little money and that's a merit, so don't blame his disorder, praise his creativity.
It's easy to talk, when you don't know the history of why things happened.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 25 2007 at 19:14
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Teh_Slippermenz
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Posted: November 25 2007 at 12:24 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
On the other hand, Gabriel's talents as a vocallist are rather underrated. Listen closely to some of the things he's done and you'll appreciate how versatile he is, or listen to his first solo album, where he stretches himself to a considerable extent.
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Agreed. Another example of his powerful voice is "Blood of Eden" off of Gabe's album "Us".
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Posted: November 25 2007 at 11:02 |
Difficult choice-I discovered Jethro Tull and Genesis around the same time(Summer of 77), but I'll have to pick Ian...
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 23:58 |
Two of the most amazing singer's I've heard and leaders of two of my favorite bands. I hate to go against the man responsible for TAAB, but Gabriel is probably my #1 vocalist of all time.
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 23:42 |
Lets see:
- Their vocal ranges have almost the sanme linitations witth the high tones.
- Both are amazing frontmen.
- Both were leaders of two of the most iconic Prog bands.
Both seem similar at this point, but the difference is that peter Gabbriel can surpise me much more than Ian, Peter is much more versatile and has a strong solo career something that Ian doesn't (at least not as solid).
My two cents.
Iván
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 21:43 |
Peter Gabriel had a marginally better voice, although, lets face it, he wasn't really in the same league as Ian when it comes to flute skills. ian is in my opinion better.
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 12:37 |
Anderson, simply because his flute's better.
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 04:36 |
Ian Anderson is a mediocre, but competent, flautist. The Gabe doesn't measure up to that standard. On the other hand, Gabriel's talents as a vocallist are rather underrated. Listen closely to some of the things he's done and you'll appreciate how versatile he is, or listen to his first solo album, where he stretches himself to a considerable extent. Regarding his musical concepts, I'll give him the nod as well.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 03:57 |
I watched genesis live the 16mm film and I wasn't very impressed Gabriel is not a good flute player and he shouts too much! As far as his costumes go I see this as a reflection of his bi polar personalty more so than an artistic expression. I believe those costume changes were not necessary and probably got in the way for the rest of the band. Ian Anderson also has faults his ramblings and long winded aqualung persona he portrayed in the 70's the beards the tights the silly hats all got a bit much "see you again sometime heyyyyyyyy" but his flute playing and vocals were always great live ... Anderson gets the vote .
Edited by Yorkie X - November 22 2007 at 03:58
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 03:37 |
Oh, well, here we go now...and I think my answer should be obvious:
By the way, "Supper" is INDEED inferior to "Thick" simply because "Thick contains better musicianship, more memorable parts, and contains no weak sections, compared to "Supper's" ONE weak section (and, yes, I know. I'm mean. But facts is facts).
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Teh_Slippermenz
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 21:29 |
A flower????
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(BTW, I love Ian Anderson as well)
Edited by Teh_Slippermenz - November 21 2007 at 21:30
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proglil49
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 20:58 |
Peter Gabriel, for his weird costumes on stage during his shows with Genesis. "A Flower"!!!
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 20:37 |
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 18:43 |
simply a matter of taste... Ian
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