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  This is not a progressive rock question -- just a plain ol' music one: What band sang "How Can I Miss You, If You Won't Go Away" on what tv variety show when I was a kid? (I know the artist's name, but can't remember what show it was.) 
Impress me! First one with a complete right answer wins my undying respect (priceless), and an undisclosed Emoticon (valueless). Bonus set of air drumsticks if you don't use the Web to find the answer! (Like I did for the Syd Barrett question on the guestbook....) 

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Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Topic: NEW CONTEST! Posted: February 04 2004 at 00:15
	This is not a progressive rock question -- just a plain ol' music one: What band sang "How Can I Miss You, If You Won't Go Away" on what tv variety show when I was a kid? (I know the artist's name, but can't remember what show it was.) Impress me! First one with a complete right answer wins my undying respect (priceless), and an undisclosed Emoticon (valueless). Bonus set of air drumsticks if you don't use the Web to find the answer! (Like I did for the Syd Barrett question on the guestbook....)
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

dude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338	Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:27
	UMMMMMMMM the... beatles.....?....pink floyd?............how about.......Rush from their secret never released but available on bootleg if you are unscrupulous enough album "how can i miss you if you wont go away"?!!

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 04 2004 at 09:00
	Nope! It was a real song, by a real band. If no one can name the show, at least name the band!
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Dan Bobrowski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243	Posted: February 04 2004 at 13:11
	The Stones on either Ed Sullivan or the Mike Douglas Show.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 04 2004 at 20:41
	Not even close, Danbo!
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:25
	Here's another for you, prog-meisters: What is an "envelope modifier?" (Hint: It's not used at the post office to surreptitiously open your mail. It might be found in a Book of Saturdays....)
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: February 04 2004 at 23:51
	Peter: I think the band was Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks, but I'm not sure of the show. An envelope modifier "traps" a sound and then distorts or warps it, like putting a piece of paper in an envelope and manipulating the envelope. Peace.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:39
	Right on, on both counts, Maani! I knew my faith in you wasn't misplaced! That was a funny song, from a funny & weird band. Made a big impression on me! Ha! I suppose the show was likely Ed Sullivan.... but could have been another. Did you see them on TV? I think the lovely female backup singers (and not the guitar playing) were the "Hot Licks" in question.... Re the "envelope modifier," I always thought it made an instrument (usually a guitar) sound each note "backwards." (You're the musician: enlighten me, oh wizened ancient!) Isn't that one on Fripp's guitar on "Book of Saturdays?"
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:42
	PS Maani: Here's the promised free Emoticon -- you already had my undying respect:
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

PROGMAN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 03 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 2661	Posted: February 05 2004 at 05:17
	HOW WAS PREVIOUSLY CALLED MABEL GREERS TOY SHOP AND TEMPORARY CALLED CINEMA? 1.YES 2.GENESIS 3.JETHRO TULL 4.KING CRIMSON

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 05 2004 at 10:55
	I'm going to guess Jethro Tull, Progman, because I know that they went through lots of name changes, before eventually being more or less forced to keep their final name.
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Dan Bobrowski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243	Posted: February 05 2004 at 14:14
	Cinema: that was the Pre-90125 Yes name, before Anderson squeezed his was back into the group. It would have been "INTERESTING" to hear the final project sans Jon.........

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: February 06 2004 at 22:25
	Peter: An envelope modifier could, I suppose, create a "backward" sound, though this is traditionally done with tape loops (recording it forward, and then playing the tape in reverse, like the solo in "I'm Only Sleeping"). Are you familiar with the "gizmo," a guitar synthesizer developed by ex-10CC members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme? And are you familiar with the album they created with it, called "Consequences?" Peace.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 07 2004 at 03:26
	Yes, I heard of the "Gizmo" back in some old rock mag, but don't really know much about it, nor do I believe I've heard "Consequences." How is it? Do you have XTC's clever "Dukes of Stratosphere" project? How about Phil Manzanera/801? ("Diamond Head," "Listen Now," and "801 Live" are essential prog! Gobs of Eno in the mix!) 801 Live (E.G. records) has a killer version of Tomorrow Never Knows! We need both Manzanera and Eno on this site!
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

corbet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 01 2004 Status: Offline Points: 101	Posted: February 07 2004 at 06:45
	Actually, strictly speaking, an envelope modifier would be any sound processor that manipulates the amplitude envelope (amplitude vs. time on a graph) of a sound, typically to change its transient characteristics. This has indeed been used to create backwards guitar sounds (Adrian Belew has used this extensively, with a modified Boss echo unit), but, technically, even tremolos and compressors/sustainers are envelope modifiers. An "envelope follower" is used in effects which alter the sound in proportion to the amplitude envelope, typically conjoined with a resonant filter to get such familiar sounds as the "funk bass". (Stevie Wonder...)

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: February 08 2004 at 00:33
	Peter: Consequences is one of the most amazing albums ever recorded. The only instruments used are a piano, drums and guitars with the "gizmo." Yet the variety of sounds and textures they create is simply astounding. One is left dumbfounded, and unbelieving that they could create all of it with just those instruments. Re XTC, I was a "Dukes" freak before most people knew they were XTC. The first time I heard Collideascope on a radio station, I thought John Lennon had been resurrected! Both albums are fantastic, and were put together in a single package with the best "retro" album name ever: Chips from the Chocolate Fireball. I dare anyone to beat that for retro brilliance! I was never much of a Manzanera fan, though he appears (and does some great playing) on Godley & Creme's second album, "Freeze Frame." Peace.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 09 2004 at 01:31
	Thanks for the clarification, Corbet. I like the way the EM puts the note's fade-out at the start, and its "attack" at the end. Very 70s, very Prog! Do you think it would it be tough or confusing to play live
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: February 09 2004 at 01:49
	"Never much of a Manzanera fan," Maani! Have you ever listened (I mean really listened) to his songs "Diamond Head" (off the album of the same name), or "Islands" (from "Listen Now") I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't find them lovely! Sheer shimmering and majestic beauty from a masterful -- but somewhat under-appreciated -- 70s prog guitarist! Woe (and bemused) is me! Waaahhh!
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

dude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338	Posted: February 16 2004 at 04:29
	hey guys i thought an envelope modifier was someone who opens an envelope.....you know.............to read the mail.................no?............."leave this forum at once..and dont come back till you have better material!!!" i hear you all say..........okay FINE!!! IM OUTA HERE!!!!!